After Stephen and Malik give heartfelt words about the too-soon passing of The Ringer’s basketball writer and podcaster Jonathan Tjarks and what he meant to many people, as he leaves behind his wife and son.

Then, the always charming and professional Josh Robbins, who covered the Magic for 13 years, including the last 4 with The Athletic, joins Stephen and Malik for a far-ranging discussion that includes the once and future Magic, how many fans miss Josh now that he’s covering the Wizards, and the blurring of lines between journalism, PR and punditry.

A bittersweet but enjoyable episode that really should put everyone on the path to the start of training camp for the Magic, less than 2 weeks away now…

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