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You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher.]]></description><atom:link href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/7424778/episodes/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><language>en</language><category>Society &amp; Culture</category><copyright>Copyright bghy</copyright><image><url>https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg</url><title>The Ezra Klein Show</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show--7424778</link></image><lastBuildDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2026 09:26:01 +0000</lastBuildDate><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:owner><itunes:name>bghy</itunes:name><itunes:email>feeds@spreaker.com</itunes:email></itunes:owner><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:subtitle>Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation on something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation on something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican Party? What do psychedelics teach us about consciousness? What does sci-fi understand about our present that we miss? Can our food system be just to humans and animals alike?  Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:category text="Society &amp; Culture"/><itunes:category text="News"/><itunes:category text="Government"/><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><podcast:guid>3c9cf989-e9ea-5452-9ea2-760e2f98c261</podcast:guid><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><item><title>Is It Wrong to Love a Chatbot?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-it-wrong-to-love-a-chatbot--75780862</link><description><![CDATA[Roughly half of American adults are using chatbots. Nearly one in five U.S. adults has chatted with an A.I. that simulates a romantic partner. And some children now struggle to distinguish between talking to chatbots and humans.What does this mean for the future of our relationships? Turkle has been studying relationships between humans and machines since the 1970s, around the dawn of the personal computer. Her 2011 book, “Alone Together,” offered a prescient warning about how social media was atrophying in-person bonds. And in her latest book, “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/sherry-turkle/artificial-intimacy/9780316573962/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Artificial Intimacy: Who We Become When We Talk to Machines</a>,” Turkle turns the lens on A.I., wrestling with what happens when technology comes after not only our attention but also our capacity for attachment. <i>This episode contains strong language.</i>Mentioned:“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/26/technology/chatgpt-openai-suicide.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A Teen Was Suicidal. ChatGPT Was the Friend He Confided In.</a>” by Kashmir Hill“<a href="https://direct.mit.edu/books/monograph/2327/The-Second-SelfComputers-and-the-Human-Spirit" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Second Self</a>” by Sherry Turkle“<a href="https://www.sherryturkle.com/alone-together" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Alone Together</a>” by Sherry TurkleBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.routledge.com/Playing-and-Reality/Winnicott/p/book/9780415345460?gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=23735332250&amp;gbraid=0AAAAACWuhHWjcPguNWXrnSUzQ5kCXQqT5&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwoaLWBhAWEiwAnyitu-1TtE5bPy4Lw0KIwPtixGF6FaDplTDR5S9nLV2Wn-icLnxpiJfASBoCN2YQAvD_BwE" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Playing and Reality</a>” by D. W. Winnicott“<a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-origins-of-totalitarianism-hannah-arendt?variant=39936636256290" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Origins of Totalitarianism</a>” by Hannah Arendt“<a href="https://archive.org/details/computerpowerhum0000weiz_v0i3" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Computer Power and Human Reason</a>” by Joseph WeizenbaumThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota, Efim Shapiro and Gautam Srikishan. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle I. Kelley. Video editing by Dani Dillon, Steph Khoury and Jan Kobal. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.<br />  Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">e80eb550-9485-48dc-bb72-a64ebc2accef</guid><pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75780862/default.mp3" length="73649571" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/2acbdbf4-4a44-4d01-aee3-e984338376cb/2acbdbf4-4a44-4d01-aee3-e984338376cb.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/2acbdbf4-4a44-4d01-aee3-e984338376cb/2acbdbf4-4a44-4d01-aee3-e984338376cb.txt" type="text/plain" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/2acbdbf4-4a44-4d01-aee3-e984338376cb/2acbdbf4-4a44-4d01-aee3-e984338376cb.vtt" type="text/vtt" language="en"/><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Roughly half of American adults are using chatbots. Nearly one in five U.S. adults has chatted with an A.I. that simulates a romantic partner. And some children now struggle to distinguish between talking to chatbots and humans.What does this mean for...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Roughly half of American adults are using chatbots. Nearly one in five U.S. adults has chatted with an A.I. that simulates a romantic partner. And some children now struggle to distinguish between talking to chatbots and humans.What does this mean for the future of our relationships? Turkle has been studying relationships between humans and machines since the 1970s, around the dawn of the personal computer. Her 2011 book, “Alone Together,” offered a prescient warning about how social media was atrophying in-person bonds. And in her latest book, “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/sherry-turkle/artificial-intimacy/9780316573962/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Artificial Intimacy: Who We Become When We Talk to Machines</a>,” Turkle turns the lens on A.I., wrestling with what happens when technology comes after not only our attention but also our capacity for attachment. <i>This episode contains strong language.</i>Mentioned:“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/26/technology/chatgpt-openai-suicide.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A Teen Was Suicidal. ChatGPT Was the Friend He Confided In.</a>” by Kashmir Hill“<a href="https://direct.mit.edu/books/monograph/2327/The-Second-SelfComputers-and-the-Human-Spirit" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Second Self</a>” by Sherry Turkle“<a href="https://www.sherryturkle.com/alone-together" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Alone Together</a>” by Sherry TurkleBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.routledge.com/Playing-and-Reality/Winnicott/p/book/9780415345460?gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=23735332250&amp;gbraid=0AAAAACWuhHWjcPguNWXrnSUzQ5kCXQqT5&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwoaLWBhAWEiwAnyitu-1TtE5bPy4Lw0KIwPtixGF6FaDplTDR5S9nLV2Wn-icLnxpiJfASBoCN2YQAvD_BwE" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Playing and Reality</a>” by D. W. Winnicott“<a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-origins-of-totalitarianism-hannah-arendt?variant=39936636256290" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Origins of Totalitarianism</a>” by Hannah Arendt“<a href="https://archive.org/details/computerpowerhum0000weiz_v0i3" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Computer Power and Human Reason</a>” by Joseph WeizenbaumThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota, Efim Shapiro and Gautam Srikishan. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle I. Kelley. Video editing by Dani Dillon, Steph Khoury and Jan Kobal. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.<br />  Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about...]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>4604</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>What if A.I. Is Just a ‘Normal Technology’?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/what-if-a-i-is-just-a-normal-technology--75665485</link><description><![CDATA[At the center of the country’s debates over artificial intelligence is a simple but hard question: What kind of technology is this?Is A.I. a kind of “alien mind”? Are we unleashing a new species on the planet, one that will transform human society so completely that historical analogies to past technologies simply don’t hold? Or is A.I. more normal than that?Arvind Narayanan is a professor of computer science at Princeton University and the director of the Center for Information Technology Policy. And he’s an author, alongside his colleague Sayash Kapoor, of the extremely influential essay “<a href="https://knightcolumbia.org/content/ai-as-normal-technology?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A.I. as Normal Technology</a>.”In that essay, and then in a Substack under that name, they lay out their case that A.I. is in fact something we’ve seen before — or at least, it’s close enough to past revolutionary technologies that we have a road map to deal with it. So I wanted to bring Narayanan on the show to hear that perspective.Mentioned:“<a href="https://knightcolumbia.org/content/ai-as-normal-technology?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A.I. as Normal Technology</a>” by Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor“<a href="https://aleximas.substack.com/p/what-will-be-scarce" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">What Will Be Scarce?</a>” by Alex ImasBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/hannah-ritchie/not-the-end-of-the-world/9780316536752/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Not the End of the World</a>” by Hannah Ritchie“<a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324106036" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Breakneck</a>” by Dan Wang“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/801035/thinking-in-systems-by-donella-meadows/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Thinking in Systems</a> by Donella MeadowsThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.htmlThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Our director of photography is Marina King. Video editing by Brandon Belk-Yee, Kristen Williamson and Dani Dillon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">f49df869-186c-47bc-8006-8c056889a142</guid><pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75665485/default.mp3" length="60480516" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/6d4f3626-86ee-47a0-a59f-0a536a08cc44/6d4f3626-86ee-47a0-a59f-0a536a08cc44.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/6d4f3626-86ee-47a0-a59f-0a536a08cc44/6d4f3626-86ee-47a0-a59f-0a536a08cc44.txt" type="text/plain" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/6d4f3626-86ee-47a0-a59f-0a536a08cc44/6d4f3626-86ee-47a0-a59f-0a536a08cc44.vtt" type="text/vtt" language="en"/><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>At the center of the country’s debates over artificial intelligence is a simple but hard question: What kind of technology is this?Is A.I. a kind of “alien mind”? Are we unleashing a new species on the planet, one that will transform human society so...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[At the center of the country’s debates over artificial intelligence is a simple but hard question: What kind of technology is this?Is A.I. a kind of “alien mind”? Are we unleashing a new species on the planet, one that will transform human society so completely that historical analogies to past technologies simply don’t hold? Or is A.I. more normal than that?Arvind Narayanan is a professor of computer science at Princeton University and the director of the Center for Information Technology Policy. And he’s an author, alongside his colleague Sayash Kapoor, of the extremely influential essay “<a href="https://knightcolumbia.org/content/ai-as-normal-technology?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A.I. as Normal Technology</a>.”In that essay, and then in a Substack under that name, they lay out their case that A.I. is in fact something we’ve seen before — or at least, it’s close enough to past revolutionary technologies that we have a road map to deal with it. So I wanted to bring Narayanan on the show to hear that perspective.Mentioned:“<a href="https://knightcolumbia.org/content/ai-as-normal-technology?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A.I. as Normal Technology</a>” by Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor“<a href="https://aleximas.substack.com/p/what-will-be-scarce" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">What Will Be Scarce?</a>” by Alex ImasBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/hannah-ritchie/not-the-end-of-the-world/9780316536752/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Not the End of the World</a>” by Hannah Ritchie“<a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324106036" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Breakneck</a>” by Dan Wang“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/801035/thinking-in-systems-by-donella-meadows/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Thinking in Systems</a> by Donella MeadowsThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.htmlThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Our director of photography is Marina King. Video editing by Brandon Belk-Yee, Kristen Williamson and Dani Dillon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>3781</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>‘This Is Nuts.’ An OpenAI Insider Explains Why He Quit.</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/this-is-nuts-an-openai-insider-explains-why-he-quit--75616839</link><description><![CDATA[Last week, David Robinson resigned from OpenAI. He’d been in charge of writing the safety reports for new models and came to believe that OpenAI and the broader artificial intelligence industry lack the safety culture necessary to protect the world from what they’re building.Robinson has an unusual background for an A.I. frontier lab staffer. He’s a Rhodes scholar and Yale Law graduate, he founded a civil rights nonprofit and he advised the Biden White House. He did not come up in the hothouse of Silicon Valley. And when he joined OpenAI in 2023, he says, he saw A.I. as a useful tool, not as a technology that could pose catastrophic risks.That’s changed. In Robinson’s first interview since leaving OpenAI, he tells me why.<i>(The New York Times has sued OpenAI and Microsoft claiming copyright infringement. The companies have denied those claims.)</i><i>This episode contains strong language.</i>Mentioned:“<a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots</a>” by Emily M. Bender, Timnit Gebru, Angelina McMillan-Major and Shmargaret Shmitchell“<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ2duRYykkk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">An OpenAI Engineer and His Friends Debate the Future</a>”“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/23/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-jensen-huang.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far</a>” by The Ezra Klein Show“<a href="https://blog.samaltman.com/the-merge" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Merge</a>” by Sam Altman<a href="https://youtu.be/2OOHnaGTQFg?si=sz6gBs_k9eiJgKj5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Sam Altman on Decoded</a>Book Recommendations:“<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo22781921.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Challenger Launch Decision</a>” by Diane Vaughan“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/576495/little-witch-hazel-a-year-in-the-forest-by-phoebe-wahl/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Little Witch Hazel</a>” by Phoebe Wahl“<a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374529758/thesabbath/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Sabbath</a>” by Rabbi Abraham Joshua HeschelThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a> This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle Kelley and Marina King. Video editing by Brandon Belk-Yee, Dani Dillon and Kristen Williamson. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">6b1e8393-f69d-41ee-8463-b4be505fec4c</guid><pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75616839/default.mp3" length="69993683" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/9230ab1b-7867-4958-be80-51263c208293/9230ab1b-7867-4958-be80-51263c208293.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/9230ab1b-7867-4958-be80-51263c208293/9230ab1b-7867-4958-be80-51263c208293.txt" type="text/plain" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/9230ab1b-7867-4958-be80-51263c208293/9230ab1b-7867-4958-be80-51263c208293.vtt" type="text/vtt" language="en"/><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Last week, David Robinson resigned from OpenAI. He’d been in charge of writing the safety reports for new models and came to believe that OpenAI and the broader artificial intelligence industry lack the safety culture necessary to protect the world...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Last week, David Robinson resigned from OpenAI. He’d been in charge of writing the safety reports for new models and came to believe that OpenAI and the broader artificial intelligence industry lack the safety culture necessary to protect the world from what they’re building.Robinson has an unusual background for an A.I. frontier lab staffer. He’s a Rhodes scholar and Yale Law graduate, he founded a civil rights nonprofit and he advised the Biden White House. He did not come up in the hothouse of Silicon Valley. And when he joined OpenAI in 2023, he says, he saw A.I. as a useful tool, not as a technology that could pose catastrophic risks.That’s changed. In Robinson’s first interview since leaving OpenAI, he tells me why.<i>(The New York Times has sued OpenAI and Microsoft claiming copyright infringement. The companies have denied those claims.)</i><i>This episode contains strong language.</i>Mentioned:“<a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots</a>” by Emily M. Bender, Timnit Gebru, Angelina McMillan-Major and Shmargaret Shmitchell“<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ2duRYykkk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">An OpenAI Engineer and His Friends Debate the Future</a>”“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/23/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-jensen-huang.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far</a>” by The Ezra Klein Show“<a href="https://blog.samaltman.com/the-merge" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Merge</a>” by Sam Altman<a href="https://youtu.be/2OOHnaGTQFg?si=sz6gBs_k9eiJgKj5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Sam Altman on Decoded</a>Book Recommendations:“<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo22781921.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Challenger Launch Decision</a>” by Diane Vaughan“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/576495/little-witch-hazel-a-year-in-the-forest-by-phoebe-wahl/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Little Witch Hazel</a>” by Phoebe Wahl“<a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374529758/thesabbath/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Sabbath</a>” by Rabbi Abraham Joshua HeschelThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a> This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle Kelley and Marina King. Video editing by Brandon Belk-Yee, Dani Dillon and Kristen Williamson. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank"...]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>4375</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Is the World Getting Uglier?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-the-world-getting-uglier--75515537</link><description><![CDATA[President Trump and the modern right have a theory of beauty. You see it in Trump’s gilded Oval Office, his imagined arch and his executive order requiring classical and traditional styles for certain federal buildings. This isn’t my theory of beauty, but it is a theory. And it’s a response, in part, to something that a lot of people have been feeling, and not just on the right: that the modern world is ugly, or getting uglier. I’ve seen at least a dozen articles or videos over the last few years asking, “Is the world getting uglier?” They point to the drabness of new apartment blocks, the sameness of new cars and the reign of “greige” in homes and fashion. So I’ve wanted to do an episode on this for a while. Why does the world seem to be getting uglier, or drabber? And at a moment when the right has a clear answer to this feeling, does the left have any answer at all? Debbie Millman teaches at the School of Visual Arts in New York City and hosts the long-running podcast “Design Matters,” where she talks to creative people about design. In her long career as a brand designer, she revamped the logos for companies like Burger King, 7 Up and Häagen-Dazs. She’s also written a number of books on design, and recently wrote an article for Time magazine, “<a href="https://time.com/article/2026/08/18/is-the-world-getting-uglier/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Is the World Getting Uglier?</a>” Mentioned:“<a href="https://time.com/article/2026/08/18/is-the-world-getting-uglier/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Is the World Getting Uglier?</a>” by Debbie Millman“<a href="https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-44/the-intellectual-situation/why-is-everything-so-ugly/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Why Is Everything So Ugly?</a>” by n+1“<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYxrowovts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">How Did The World Get So Ugly?</a>” by Sheehan QuirkeBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/24635/the-voice-that-is-great-within-us-by-edited-by-hayden-carruth/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Voice That Is Great Within Us</a>” by Hayden Carruth“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/57995/love-in-the-time-of-cholera-by-gabriel-garcia-marquez/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Love in the Time of Cholera</a>” by Gabriel García Márquez“<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4300" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Ulysses</a>” by James Joyce“<a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/hunger-roxane-gay?variant=42078392188962" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Hunger</a>” by Roxane GayThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Marie Cascione. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Marina King and Kyle Kelley. Video editing by Kristen Williamson. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Vanessa Friedman. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">46ac1887-69b7-4ca6-aaa1-74768ea42da9</guid><pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75515537/default.mp3" length="66733183" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/927fd8b1-6962-47d3-b748-aea53eef67ab/927fd8b1-6962-47d3-b748-aea53eef67ab.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/927fd8b1-6962-47d3-b748-aea53eef67ab/927fd8b1-6962-47d3-b748-aea53eef67ab.txt" type="text/plain" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/927fd8b1-6962-47d3-b748-aea53eef67ab/927fd8b1-6962-47d3-b748-aea53eef67ab.vtt" type="text/vtt" language="en"/><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>President Trump and the modern right have a theory of beauty. You see it in Trump’s gilded Oval Office, his imagined arch and his executive order requiring classical and traditional styles for certain federal buildings. This isn’t my theory of beauty,...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[President Trump and the modern right have a theory of beauty. You see it in Trump’s gilded Oval Office, his imagined arch and his executive order requiring classical and traditional styles for certain federal buildings. This isn’t my theory of beauty, but it is a theory. And it’s a response, in part, to something that a lot of people have been feeling, and not just on the right: that the modern world is ugly, or getting uglier. I’ve seen at least a dozen articles or videos over the last few years asking, “Is the world getting uglier?” They point to the drabness of new apartment blocks, the sameness of new cars and the reign of “greige” in homes and fashion. So I’ve wanted to do an episode on this for a while. Why does the world seem to be getting uglier, or drabber? And at a moment when the right has a clear answer to this feeling, does the left have any answer at all? Debbie Millman teaches at the School of Visual Arts in New York City and hosts the long-running podcast “Design Matters,” where she talks to creative people about design. In her long career as a brand designer, she revamped the logos for companies like Burger King, 7 Up and Häagen-Dazs. She’s also written a number of books on design, and recently wrote an article for Time magazine, “<a href="https://time.com/article/2026/08/18/is-the-world-getting-uglier/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Is the World Getting Uglier?</a>” Mentioned:“<a href="https://time.com/article/2026/08/18/is-the-world-getting-uglier/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Is the World Getting Uglier?</a>” by Debbie Millman“<a href="https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-44/the-intellectual-situation/why-is-everything-so-ugly/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Why Is Everything So Ugly?</a>” by n+1“<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYxrowovts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">How Did The World Get So Ugly?</a>” by Sheehan QuirkeBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/24635/the-voice-that-is-great-within-us-by-edited-by-hayden-carruth/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Voice That Is Great Within Us</a>” by Hayden Carruth“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/57995/love-in-the-time-of-cholera-by-gabriel-garcia-marquez/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Love in the Time of Cholera</a>” by Gabriel García Márquez“<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4300" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Ulysses</a>” by James Joyce“<a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/hunger-roxane-gay?variant=42078392188962" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Hunger</a>” by Roxane GayThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Marie Cascione. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Marina King and Kyle Kelley. Video editing by Kristen Williamson. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Vanessa Friedman. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a...]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>4171</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Bill Gates’s Blunt Warning on A.I.</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/bill-gates-s-blunt-warning-on-a-i--75491072</link><description><![CDATA[Bill Gates thinks A.I. alarmism hasn’t gone far enough. He believes the years ahead will be marred by catastrophic cyberattacks, bio-terrorism and mass job loss  unless the government acts, because he thinks the idea that the A.I. industry can just self-regulate is “insane.” I was struck in the conversation by how genuinely afraid Gates seemed to be that we are not ready for the consequences of what we are building, and how emphatic he was that so many of the people in positions of authority are in complete denial about what he thinks is about to happen.Gates is a pioneering technologist, the co-founder of Microsoft and the chair of Gates Foundation, which is set to spend down around $200 billion over the next two decades. He recently announced that trying to make A.I. a force for equality in the world, as opposed to an impetus for inequality, is a new priority of his foundation’s work.<i>(The New York Times has sued OpenAI and Microsoft claiming copyright infringement. The companies have denied those claims.)</i>Mentioned:“<a href="https://www.gatesnotes.com/home/home-page-topic/reader/a-turbulent-ai-era-and-critical-choices-to-make" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The turbulent AI era is here. The choices we make now are critical.</a>” by Bill Gates“<a href="https://www.gatesnotes.com/meet-bill/tech-thinking/reader/the-risks-of-ai-are-real-but-manageable" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Risks of A.I. Are Real but Manageable</a>” by Bill Gates“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/03/opinion/ai-jobs-unemployment-silicon-valley.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Why the A.I. Job Apocalypse (Probably) Won’t Happen</a>” by Ezra KleinBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/755600/the-correspondent-by-virginia-evans/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Correspondent</a>” by Virginia Evans“<a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Into-the-Wood-Chipper/Nicholas-Enrich/9781668226957" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Into the Wood Chipper</a>” by Nicholas Enrich“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/752231/the-infinity-machine-by-sebastian-mallaby/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Infinity Machine</a>” by Sebastian MallabyThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Gautam Srikishan. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Marina King, Kyle Kelley and Elliot deBruyn. Video editing by Julian Hackney, Brandon Belk-Yee, Arpita Aneja and Steph Khoury. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">a40d9477-80fc-4766-a06c-bfd45e8bef20</guid><pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75491072/default.mp3" length="75275009" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/580c6c9d-a2c6-4444-90c7-350da08021a1/580c6c9d-a2c6-4444-90c7-350da08021a1.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/580c6c9d-a2c6-4444-90c7-350da08021a1/580c6c9d-a2c6-4444-90c7-350da08021a1.txt" type="text/plain" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/580c6c9d-a2c6-4444-90c7-350da08021a1/580c6c9d-a2c6-4444-90c7-350da08021a1.vtt" type="text/vtt" language="en"/><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Bill Gates thinks A.I. alarmism hasn’t gone far enough. He believes the years ahead will be marred by catastrophic cyberattacks, bio-terrorism and mass job loss  unless the government acts, because he thinks the idea that the A.I. industry can just...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Bill Gates thinks A.I. alarmism hasn’t gone far enough. He believes the years ahead will be marred by catastrophic cyberattacks, bio-terrorism and mass job loss  unless the government acts, because he thinks the idea that the A.I. industry can just self-regulate is “insane.” I was struck in the conversation by how genuinely afraid Gates seemed to be that we are not ready for the consequences of what we are building, and how emphatic he was that so many of the people in positions of authority are in complete denial about what he thinks is about to happen.Gates is a pioneering technologist, the co-founder of Microsoft and the chair of Gates Foundation, which is set to spend down around $200 billion over the next two decades. He recently announced that trying to make A.I. a force for equality in the world, as opposed to an impetus for inequality, is a new priority of his foundation’s work.<i>(The New York Times has sued OpenAI and Microsoft claiming copyright infringement. The companies have denied those claims.)</i>Mentioned:“<a href="https://www.gatesnotes.com/home/home-page-topic/reader/a-turbulent-ai-era-and-critical-choices-to-make" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The turbulent AI era is here. The choices we make now are critical.</a>” by Bill Gates“<a href="https://www.gatesnotes.com/meet-bill/tech-thinking/reader/the-risks-of-ai-are-real-but-manageable" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Risks of A.I. Are Real but Manageable</a>” by Bill Gates“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/03/opinion/ai-jobs-unemployment-silicon-valley.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Why the A.I. Job Apocalypse (Probably) Won’t Happen</a>” by Ezra KleinBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/755600/the-correspondent-by-virginia-evans/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Correspondent</a>” by Virginia Evans“<a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Into-the-Wood-Chipper/Nicholas-Enrich/9781668226957" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Into the Wood Chipper</a>” by Nicholas Enrich“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/752231/the-infinity-machine-by-sebastian-mallaby/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Infinity Machine</a>” by Sebastian MallabyThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Gautam Srikishan. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Marina King, Kyle Kelley and Elliot deBruyn. Video editing by Julian Hackney, Brandon Belk-Yee, Arpita Aneja and Steph Khoury. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank"...]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>4705</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>What Does Abdul El-Sayed Believe?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/what-does-abdul-el-sayed-believe--75491071</link><description><![CDATA[Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic nominee for Senate in Michigan, has been one of the most argued-over candidates this election cycle. If he wins, he’d be the first-ever Muslim senator, and he’s faced a torrent of attacks about his faith. The race has also become a proving ground for a lot of questions about the Democratic Party and its future: What should U.S. policy toward Israel and the Palestinians be? Is the future of health care reform Medicare for all? Can a left-wing populist win in a state that twice voted for Donald Trump?There’s been so much more heat than light in this race, so I wanted to invite El-Sayed on the show for a longer conversation. We talked about his upbringing, his views on U.S. foreign policy, his work on health care reform and what he would actually do if elected in November. Mentioned:“<a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/medicare-for-all-9780190056629" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare for All: A Citizen’s Guide</a>” by Abdul El-Sayed and Micah Johnson“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/07/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-may-pundak-rula-hardal.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A Radical Vision for Israelis and Palestinians</a>,” with Rula Hardal and May Pundak on The Ezra Klein ShowBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/73633/the-best-and-the-brightest-by-david-halberstam/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Best and the Brightest</a>” by David Halberstam“<a href="https://penguinrandomhousehighereducation.com/book/?isbn=9780143036531" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Amusing Ourselves to Death</a>” by Neil Postman“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/564989/the-sum-of-us-by-heather-mcghee/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Sum of Us</a>” by Heather McGhee“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/106490/the-autobiography-of-malcolm-x-by-malcolm-x-as-told-to-alex-haley/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Autobiography of Malcolm X</a>” by Malcom X, as told to Alex HaleyThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair and Kelsey Lannin. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota, Isaac Jones and Pat McCusker. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Marina King and Kyle Kelley. Video editing by Dani Dillon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">a69774f2-8209-41d2-b45d-52ad8b9e3334</guid><pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75491071/default.mp3" length="94309709" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/47134e56-fc5b-4980-a26c-027493de0c80/47134e56-fc5b-4980-a26c-027493de0c80.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/47134e56-fc5b-4980-a26c-027493de0c80/47134e56-fc5b-4980-a26c-027493de0c80.txt" type="text/plain" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/47134e56-fc5b-4980-a26c-027493de0c80/47134e56-fc5b-4980-a26c-027493de0c80.vtt" type="text/vtt" language="en"/><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic nominee for Senate in Michigan, has been one of the most argued-over candidates this election cycle. If he wins, he’d be the first-ever Muslim senator, and he’s faced a torrent of attacks about his faith. The race...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic nominee for Senate in Michigan, has been one of the most argued-over candidates this election cycle. If he wins, he’d be the first-ever Muslim senator, and he’s faced a torrent of attacks about his faith. The race has also become a proving ground for a lot of questions about the Democratic Party and its future: What should U.S. policy toward Israel and the Palestinians be? Is the future of health care reform Medicare for all? Can a left-wing populist win in a state that twice voted for Donald Trump?There’s been so much more heat than light in this race, so I wanted to invite El-Sayed on the show for a longer conversation. We talked about his upbringing, his views on U.S. foreign policy, his work on health care reform and what he would actually do if elected in November. Mentioned:“<a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/medicare-for-all-9780190056629" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare for All: A Citizen’s Guide</a>” by Abdul El-Sayed and Micah Johnson“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/07/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-may-pundak-rula-hardal.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A Radical Vision for Israelis and Palestinians</a>,” with Rula Hardal and May Pundak on The Ezra Klein ShowBook Recommendations:“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/73633/the-best-and-the-brightest-by-david-halberstam/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Best and the Brightest</a>” by David Halberstam“<a href="https://penguinrandomhousehighereducation.com/book/?isbn=9780143036531" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Amusing Ourselves to Death</a>” by Neil Postman“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/564989/the-sum-of-us-by-heather-mcghee/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Sum of Us</a>” by Heather McGhee“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/106490/the-autobiography-of-malcolm-x-by-malcolm-x-as-told-to-alex-haley/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Autobiography of Malcolm X</a>” by Malcom X, as told to Alex HaleyThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair and Kelsey Lannin. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota, Isaac Jones and Pat McCusker. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Marina King and Kyle Kelley. Video editing by Dani Dillon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>5895</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/jensen-huang-thinks-a-i-alarmism-has-gone-too-far--75491074</link><description><![CDATA[Jensen Huang might just be the single most influential person in artificial intelligence today.Huang is the chief executive of Nvidia, the company that designs nearly all the chips and infrastructure that the rest of the industry relies on. This has made Nvidia the most valuable company in the world and has made Huang incredibly influential in the Trump administration.And unlike many of the leaders of the frontier labs, Huang doesn’t think A.I. could wipe out humanity. He thinks that the doomers are just scaring people, and that the industry doesn’t need new regulation at all. I wanted to hear how he saw it, so I flew out to Nvidia’s headquarters in Santa Clara, Calif., to talk to him. Mentioned:“<a href="https://www.pacingthefrontier.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Pacing the Frontier</a>”“<a href="https://www.anthropic.com/institute/recursive-self-improvement" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">When A.I. Builds Itself</a>”Book Recommendations:“<a href="https://dn790008.ca.archive.org/0/items/computerarchitectureaquantitativeapproach6thedition/Computer%20Architecture%3A%20A%20Quantitative%20Approach%206th%20Edition.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Computer Architecture</a>” by John L. Hennessy and David A. Patterson“<a href="https://store.hbr.org/product/the-innovator-s-dilemma-with-a-new-foreword-when-new-technologies-cause-great-firms-to-fail/10706?srsltid=AU7gw4X9RpkfZN04QTPoLpXbix0MFHU91qB7hGVX_8NnVJLxvgiLauYy" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Innovator's Dilemma</a>” by Clayton M. Christensen“<a href="https://www.mheducation.com/highered/mhp/product/positioning-battle-your-mind.html?viewOption=student" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Positioning</a>” by Al Ries and Jack TroutThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones, Aman Sahota and Gautam Srikishan. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota, with audio by Logan Heftel. Cinematography by Marina King, Kyle Kelley and Raymond Yuen. Video editing by Arpita Aneja and Dani Dillon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">7af1c8ca-2f07-4516-9563-46c510f0e790</guid><pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75491074/default.mp3" length="107287776" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/03268db5-a005-4585-afd1-c7bf8d5ae6a0/03268db5-a005-4585-afd1-c7bf8d5ae6a0.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/03268db5-a005-4585-afd1-c7bf8d5ae6a0/03268db5-a005-4585-afd1-c7bf8d5ae6a0.txt" type="text/plain" language="en"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcription.spreaker.com/starship/03268db5-a005-4585-afd1-c7bf8d5ae6a0/03268db5-a005-4585-afd1-c7bf8d5ae6a0.vtt" type="text/vtt" language="en"/><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Jensen Huang might just be the single most influential person in artificial intelligence today.Huang is the chief executive of Nvidia, the company that designs nearly all the chips and infrastructure that the rest of the industry relies on. This has...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jensen Huang might just be the single most influential person in artificial intelligence today.Huang is the chief executive of Nvidia, the company that designs nearly all the chips and infrastructure that the rest of the industry relies on. This has made Nvidia the most valuable company in the world and has made Huang incredibly influential in the Trump administration.And unlike many of the leaders of the frontier labs, Huang doesn’t think A.I. could wipe out humanity. He thinks that the doomers are just scaring people, and that the industry doesn’t need new regulation at all. I wanted to hear how he saw it, so I flew out to Nvidia’s headquarters in Santa Clara, Calif., to talk to him. Mentioned:“<a href="https://www.pacingthefrontier.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Pacing the Frontier</a>”“<a href="https://www.anthropic.com/institute/recursive-self-improvement" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">When A.I. Builds Itself</a>”Book Recommendations:“<a href="https://dn790008.ca.archive.org/0/items/computerarchitectureaquantitativeapproach6thedition/Computer%20Architecture%3A%20A%20Quantitative%20Approach%206th%20Edition.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Computer Architecture</a>” by John L. Hennessy and David A. Patterson“<a href="https://store.hbr.org/product/the-innovator-s-dilemma-with-a-new-foreword-when-new-technologies-cause-great-firms-to-fail/10706?srsltid=AU7gw4X9RpkfZN04QTPoLpXbix0MFHU91qB7hGVX_8NnVJLxvgiLauYy" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Innovator's Dilemma</a>” by Clayton M. Christensen“<a href="https://www.mheducation.com/highered/mhp/product/positioning-battle-your-mind.html?viewOption=student" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Positioning</a>” by Al Ries and Jack TroutThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones, Aman Sahota and Gautam Srikishan. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota, with audio by Logan Heftel. Cinematography by Marina King, Kyle Kelley and Raymond Yuen. Video editing by Arpita Aneja and Dani Dillon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>6706</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>About the Coming Paywall</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/about-the-coming-paywall--75491062</link><description><![CDATA[In a couple weeks, the archives of our show will only be available to subscribers. Here’s why that’s happening and what to expect. To learn more, go to <a href="https://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a>. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">79480548-3853-423a-af69-d69e0e496d65</guid><pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75491062/default.mp3" length="4013818" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>bghy</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In a couple weeks, the archives of our show will only be available to subscribers. Here’s why that’s happening and what to expect. To learn more, go to https://nytimes.com/podcasts. Subscribe today at http://nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts,...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In a couple weeks, the archives of our show will only be available to subscribers. Here’s why that’s happening and what to expect. To learn more, go to <a href="https://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a>. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>251</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Coming Soon: The Ezra Klein Show</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/coming-soon-the-ezra-klein-show--75491065</link><description><![CDATA[Every Tuesday and Friday, Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation about something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican Party? What do psychedelics teach us about consciousness? What does sci-fi understand about our present that we miss? Can our food system be just to humans and animals alike?Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast</a>, and you can find Ezra on Twitter <a href="https://www.twitter.com/ezraklein" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@ezraklein</a>.Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.“The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Rogé Karma and Jeff Geld; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. 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How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Every Tuesday and Friday, Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation about something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican Party? What do psychedelics teach us about consciousness? What does sci-fi understand about our present that we miss? Can our food system be just to humans and animals alike?Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast</a>, and you can find Ezra on Twitter <a href="https://www.twitter.com/ezraklein" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@ezraklein</a>.Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.“The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Rogé Karma and Jeff Geld; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.<br /> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>163</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/7cae1fb968073730a3aabbe85b0e06f0.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>trailer</itunes:episodeType></item></channel></rss>
