https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/white-people-black-music-and-liberation--7017995enSociety & CultureCopyright erich huffakerhttps://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/bf2ade8633f5a4ea23602ba8a8765577.jpghttps://www.spreaker.com/podcast/white-people-black-music-and-liberation--7017995Wed, 28 Oct 2026 12:55:03 +0000erich huffakererich huffakerwhitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.comwe explore antiracism as liberation work, not a politics of opposition. this podcast is especially for white and white passing people, and particularly musicians, who are in relationship with Black music and culture. through reflective, question...false9ef91853-4c47-57f6-9f0d-4722af3ea460episodichttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/are-all-white-people-racist-both-and-in-an-era-of-either-or--76035655
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/76035655Wed, 28 Oct 2026 12:55:01 +0000erich huffakerthis one digs into the various layers of nuance behind this question using some personal storytelling about a time my biases got called out publicly. i also dig into ashley jardina’s white identity politics, eduardo bonilla silva’s color blind racism,...
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✶]]>1953antiracism,bias,cavett,colorblindness,defensiveness,empathy,identity,immigration,inequality,jardina,liberation,maddox,music,politics,privilege,race,racism,segregation,sociology,whitenessfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/best-person-for-the-job-or-easiest-rethinking-merit-belonging-and-diversity--75840734
further reading:
Katherine Phillips, Gregory Northcraft, and Margaret Neale (2006), Surface Level Diversity and Decision Making in Groups: https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/academics-research/research/detail/2006/surface-level-diversity-and-decision-making-in-groups-when/?p=1

Samuel Sommers (2006), On Racial Diversity and Group Decision Making: https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2006/04/diverse-jury

Ashley Jardina, White Identity Politics: https://polisci.duke.edu/books/white-identity-politics-cambridge-studies-public-opinion-and-political-psychology http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/75840734Wed, 21 Oct 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffaker“i just want the best person for the job.” it sounds fair. many of us have said some version of it. but what’s beneath the surface when we say it? the groups that feel most sure of themselves aren’t always the ones getting it right, and that leaves a...
further reading:
Katherine Phillips, Gregory Northcraft, and Margaret Neale (2006), Surface Level Diversity and Decision Making in Groups: https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/academics-research/research/detail/2006/surface-level-diversity-and-decision-making-in-groups-when/?p=1

Samuel Sommers (2006), On Racial Diversity and Group Decision Making: https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2006/04/diverse-jury

Ashley Jardina, White Identity Politics: https://polisci.duke.edu/books/white-identity-politics-cambridge-studies-public-opinion-and-political-psychology http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>1015falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/why-do-coleman-hughes-and-colorblindness-sound-so-convincing-to-white-people--75736044.
http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/

coleman hughes, in his own words

• a case for color blindness (ted talk, 2023): https://www.ted.com/talks/coleman_hughes_a_case_for_color_blindness
• black american culture and the racial wealth gap (quillette, 2018): https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/

the statistics

• the auto and jewelry categories shine with opportunity among black women (nielsen, 2017): https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2017/the-auto-and-jewelry-categories-shine-with-opportunity-among-black-women/
  correction: nielsen found black women 113 percent more likely to say they plan to buy a luxury car, not “slightly” more likely as i said. it’s still a purchase intent survey, not a measure of financial responsibility.
• are emily and greg more employable than lakisha and jamal? bertrand and mullainathan (2004): https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
• what we get wrong about closing the racial wealth gap, samuel dubois cook center (2018): https://samuelduboiscookcenter.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/what-we-get-wrong.pdf
• conspicuous consumption and race, charles, hurst, and roussanov (quarterly journal of economics, 2009): https://www.nber.org/papers/w13392

why messages persuade

• walster, aronson, and abrahams, “on increasing the persuasiveness of a low prestige communicator,” journal of experimental social psychology (1966)

amplification

• a black voice in the echo chamber, rafia zakaria (popula, 2018): https://popula.com/2018/08/08/a-black-voice-in-the-echo-chamber/

racial resentment

• racial resentment in the political mind, darren w. davis and david c. wilson (2021): https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/R/bo124039550.html
• interview with davis and wilson (new books network): https://newbooksnetwork.com/racial-resentment-in-the-political-mind
• divided by color, donald r. kinder and lynn m. sanders (1996): https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/D/bo3620441.html
• the racial resentment scale, including the survey statements quoted in the episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_resentment_scale

keep going

• my grandmother’s hands, resmaa menakem: https://www.harvard.com/book/978194209447

being white today: a roadmap for a positive antiracist life, shelly tochluk and christine saxman (in the episode i called it “white like me,” which is a different book): https://www.uuabookstore.org/Being-White-Today-P19697.aspx

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/75736044Wed, 14 Oct 2026 12:55:01 +0000erich huffakerwhat makes us want to believe a calm, polished articulate black man making the case for color blindness? it’s not about statistics. it’s what is says about us: the numbers we reach for, the programs running underneath, and a resentment many white....
http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/

coleman hughes, in his own words

• a case for color blindness (ted talk, 2023): https://www.ted.com/talks/coleman_hughes_a_case_for_color_blindness
• black american culture and the racial wealth gap (quillette, 2018): https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/

the statistics

• the auto and jewelry categories shine with opportunity among black women (nielsen, 2017): https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2017/the-auto-and-jewelry-categories-shine-with-opportunity-among-black-women/
  correction: nielsen found black women 113 percent more likely to say they plan to buy a luxury car, not “slightly” more likely as i said. it’s still a purchase intent survey, not a measure of financial responsibility.
• are emily and greg more employable than lakisha and jamal? bertrand and mullainathan (2004): https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
• what we get wrong about closing the racial wealth gap, samuel dubois cook center (2018): https://samuelduboiscookcenter.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/what-we-get-wrong.pdf
• conspicuous consumption and race, charles, hurst, and roussanov (quarterly journal of economics, 2009): https://www.nber.org/papers/w13392

why messages persuade

• walster, aronson, and abrahams, “on increasing the persuasiveness of a low prestige communicator,” journal of experimental social psychology (1966)

amplification

• a black voice in the echo chamber, rafia zakaria (popula, 2018): https://popula.com/2018/08/08/a-black-voice-in-the-echo-chamber/

racial resentment

• racial resentment in the political mind, darren w. davis and david c. wilson (2021): https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/R/bo124039550.html
• interview with davis and wilson (new books network): https://newbooksnetwork.com/racial-resentment-in-the-political-mind
• divided by color, donald r. kinder and lynn m. sanders (1996): https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/D/bo3620441.html
• the racial resentment scale, including the survey statements quoted in the episode: fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/they-just-don-t-want-anyone-playing-black-music--75602471
  whitening of african dance - part 1
  whitening of african dance - part 2
  
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  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/75602471Wed, 07 Oct 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffaker"I'm going to play this music anyway, and I don't care what they think." that used to be my line. it felt like courage. it was actually privilege, the kind nobody was ever going to stop. this is about zooming out, seeing the water we swim in, and...
  whitening of african dance - part 1
  whitening of african dance - part 2
  
  http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>1902african,antiracism,appropriation,area,bay,dance,defensiveness,djembe,drumming,liberation,oakland,privilege,segregation,shadow,west,white,whitenessfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-white-affirmative-action-seeing-white-part-13-scene-on-radio--75301313
  original show notes below:
  
  — from Scene on Radio
  
  When it comes to U.S. government programs and support earmarked for the benefit of particular racial groups, history is clear. White folks have received most of the goodies.
  
  By John Biewen, with Deena Hayes-Greene of the Racial Equity Institute and recurring series partner Chenjerai Kumanyika.
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/75301313Wed, 30 Sep 2026 13:55:02 +0000erich huffakercan a policy be race based even when race never appears on the page? this episode of scene on radio traces a long line of policies like that, from the headright system to the fha and the gi bill, each one built to benefit white families. if you've...
  original show notes below:
  
  — from Scene on Radio
  
  When it comes to U.S. government programs and support earmarked for the benefit of particular racial groups, history is clear. White folks have received most of the goodies.
  
  By John Biewen, with Deena Hayes-Greene of the Racial Equity Institute and recurring series partner Chenjerai Kumanyika.
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
  .
  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>2888antiracism,black liberation,black music,chenjerai kumanyika,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,deena hayes-greene,government racial policy,john biewen,music and race,racial equity,racial equity institute,racial frame,racial history,racial justice,racial programming,systemic racism,white allyship,white identity,white privilegefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/intro-white-affirmative-action-seeing-white-part-13-scene-on-radio--75301299
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/75301299Wed, 30 Sep 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakercan a policy be race based even when race never appears on the page? this episode of scene on radio traces a long line of policies like that, from the headright system to the fha and the gi bill, each one built to benefit white families. if you've...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
  .
  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>268antiracism,black liberation,black music and liberation,colorblind racism,cultural appropriation,fha loans,gi bill,music and race,race-based policy,racial history,racial inequality,racial justice,scene on radio,seeing white,systemic racism,white affirmative action,white allyship,white identity,white privilege,white racial framefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-mixed-owning-your-multiracial-story-embodied--74318810
  — from Embodied
  
  When Anita moved away to college, she experienced a big shift in her biracial identity. Turns out that the questions that emerged for her are ones that many mixed young adults still ponder today ...15 years later. She meets two college seniors and they talk through navigating everything from "Where do I belong?" to "How do I date?" Plus she hears wisdom from a life coach who helps mixed adults tell new stories about identity.
  Meet the guests:
  - Adiah Siler, a senior at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, explains how moving out of her small town to go to college allowed her opportunities to explore her Blackness and has influenced her journey as a mixed race person
  - Claire Gallagher, a senior at the University of Michigan, shares her own experiences growing up as a mixed race person and brings up some of the anxieties she's had about her identity, especially since attending a predominantly white college
  - Sarah Lotus Garrett, a certified life and goal fulfillment coach, emphasizes the confidence and healing that being a part of a mixed race community can bring
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  Please note: This episode originally aired July 14, 2023.
  Updates: Adiah Siler is currently working on her MFA at the University of Iowa in the Writers’ Workshop.
  Dig deeper:
  Sarah’s program for mixed adults
  Claire’s piece on the fetishization of mixed race identities
  Adiah’s piece on being a mixed teen
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/74318810Wed, 23 Sep 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakersome part of you are can go invisible to almost everyone you meet. for most of my life i took that to mean that i didn't really fit in. this is the episode that turned me around on that. Sarah Lotus Garrett talks about owning your multiracial story in...
  — from Embodied
  
  When Anita moved away to college, she experienced a big shift in her biracial identity. Turns out that the questions that emerged for her are ones that many mixed young adults still ponder today ...15 years later. She meets two college seniors and they talk through navigating everything from "Where do I belong?" to "How do I date?" Plus she hears wisdom from a life coach who helps mixed adults tell new stories about identity.
  Meet the guests:
  - Adiah Siler, a senior at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, explains how moving out of her small town to go to college allowed her opportunities to explore her Blackness and has influenced her journey as a mixed race person
  - Claire Gallagher, a senior at the University of Michigan, shares her own experiences growing up as a mixed race person and brings up some of the anxieties she's had about her identity, especially since attending a predominantly white college
  - Sarah Lotus Garrett, a certified life and goal fulfillment coach, emphasizes the confidence and healing that being a part of a mixed race community can bring
  Read the transcript | Review the podcast on your preferred platform
  Follow Embodied on Instagram 
  Leave a message for Embodied
  Please note: This episode originally aired July 14, 2023.
  Updates: Adiah Siler is currently working on her MFA at the University of Iowa in the Writers’ Workshop.
  Dig deeper:
  Sarah’s program for mixed adults
  Claire’s piece on the fetishization of mixed race identities
  Adiah’s piece on being a mixed teen
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
  .
  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>2185adiah siler,antiracism,belonging,biracial,black liberation,black music,claire gallagher,college identity,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,interracial,life coach,mixed adults,mixed race identity,racialized identity,racial justice,racial programming,sarah lotus garrett,university experience,white identityfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/mixed-white-passing-and-the-privilege-i-didn-t-want-to-own--74318419
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/74318419Wed, 16 Sep 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakerlet's say you, like me, hold multiple identities: is the white privilege conversation still relevant? for most of my life, i saw myself as Arab. even though i mostly got treated as white. my own liberation didn't happen until I finally took...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>1627african american culture,antiracism,arab american,biracial,black liberation,black music,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,identity and privilege,mixed race,multiracial identity,music and race,racial accountability,racial justice,racial programming,west african drumming,white allyship,white identity,white passing,white privilegefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-reissued-african-vinyl-in-the-21st-century-afropop-worldwide--73320227◇
  ⋄ original show notes ⋄
  
  — from Afropop Worldwide
  
  The golden age of vinyl records is long past in Africa, but the market for rare and reissued African vinyl outside the continent has been growing steadily since the early 2000s. DJs and collectors have turned an obsession with rare records and forgotten gems from Cape Town to Tangiers into an international reissue and compilation industry, led by record labels such as Soundway, Strut and Analog Africa. This program explores some of the complex and shifting dynamics of neocolonialism, cultural ownership and audience in the African vinyl market. We’ll hear stories from label owners, DJs and artists, touching on controversies around Nigerian disco funk reissues, new career opportunities for sometimes-obscure African artists, the unique vinyl culture in South Africa, and much more.
  
  Produced by Morgan Greenstreet and Alejandro Van Zandt-Escobar, with Nenim Iwebuke.
  APWW #749
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73320227Wed, 09 Sep 2026 13:55:02 +0000erich huffakerthis is an investigative piece on the vinyl reissue market, and it might be some of the best reporting I've heard in this space. Afropop Worldwide's Morgan Greenstreet lets label owners, DJs, and artists speak for themselves, and the nuances of the...◇
  ⋄ original show notes ⋄
  
  — from Afropop Worldwide
  
  The golden age of vinyl records is long past in Africa, but the market for rare and reissued African vinyl outside the continent has been growing steadily since the early 2000s. DJs and collectors have turned an obsession with rare records and forgotten gems from Cape Town to Tangiers into an international reissue and compilation industry, led by record labels such as Soundway, Strut and Analog Africa. This program explores some of the complex and shifting dynamics of neocolonialism, cultural ownership and audience in the African vinyl market. We’ll hear stories from label owners, DJs and artists, touching on controversies around Nigerian disco funk reissues, new career opportunities for sometimes-obscure African artists, the unique vinyl culture in South Africa, and much more.
  
  Produced by Morgan Greenstreet and Alejandro Van Zandt-Escobar, with Nenim Iwebuke.
  APWW #749
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>3545african artists,african music history,african vinyl,analog africa,antiracism,black music,cape town,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,cultural ownership,dj culture,music and race,music industry,neocolonialism,racial justice,record collecting,reissue labels,south africa,vinyl records,white identityfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-erich-s-intro-reissued-african-vinyl-in-the-21st-century-afropop-worldwide--73320364
  http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73320364Wed, 09 Sep 2026 13:25:02 +0000erich huffakerthis is an investigative piece on the vinyl reissue market, and it might be some of the best reporting I've heard in this space. Afropop Worldwide's Morgan Greenstreet lets label owners, DJs, and artists speak for themselves, and the nuances of the...
  http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>312african music,afro pop worldwide,antiracism,black artists,black music,cultural appropriation,cultural extraction,cultural liberation,george collinet,hailu mergia,music and race,music industry ethics,power and music,racial hierarchy,racial justice,record collecting,socially conscious music,vinyl reissue,white allyship,white identityfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/the-prisoner-number-one-and-the-racism-i-can-t-see--73048604.
  the most obvious layer of racism is the external one. the structures, the history, the systems. and that layer is real and it matters. but there is another layer underneath it. the programming that was installed so early, and reinforced so consistently, that it stopped feeling like programming at all. it just feels like intuition. like just the way things are. that is the layer this episode is about.
  .
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73048604Wed, 02 Sep 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakerthe prisoner was created by and stars patrick mcgoohan. it is one of the strangest, most psychedelic, most uncompromising pieces of television ever made. and it ends with a reveal that caused a near riot in britain and sent mcgoohan into hiding in the....
  the most obvious layer of racism is the external one. the structures, the history, the systems. and that layer is real and it matters. but there is another layer underneath it. the programming that was installed so early, and reinforced so consistently, that it stopped feeling like programming at all. it just feels like intuition. like just the way things are. that is the layer this episode is about.
  .
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>1031antiracism,anti-racist work,black liberation,black music,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,internal bias,music and race,patrick mcgoohan,racialized identity,racial justice,racial programming,self-examination,socially conscious music,systemic racism,the prisoner tv show,unconscious racism,white allyship,white identity,white people black musicfalsefullhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hate-it-or-love-it-is-dei-a-distraction/id1112190608?i=1000762973669
  Hate it or love it, is DEI a distraction? (Code Switch, NPR)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136158Wed, 26 Aug 2026 14:00:02 +0000erich huffakeri went into the episode of code switch linked below as someone who always thought DEI was imperfect but necessary. i came out questioning it. guest jennifer c. penn argues that corporate DEI programs often signal virtue without changing anything real....
  Hate it or love it, is DEI a distraction? (Code Switch, NPR)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>198accountability,antiracism,class,codeswitch,corporate,dei,diversity,equity,feed,inclusion,justice,liberation,npr,podcast,policy,race,reform,supremacy,systems,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-hate-it-or-love-it-is-dei-a-distraction-code-switch--73048612
  — from Code Switch
  
  The Trump administration has been very candid about their disdain for all things DEI. But it's not just conservatives who have critiques. On this episode, we're talking to Jennifer C. Pan, author of Selling Social Justice: Why the Rich Love Antiracism, about why she thinks people on the left should be skeptical of DEI programs as well. We get into how DEI programs are frequently used as a tool for large corporations to assert their moral authority — without actually sacrificing their bottom line, or improving conditions for workers writ large.
  
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  — from Code Switch
  
  The Trump administration has been very candid about their disdain for all things DEI. But it's not just conservatives who have critiques. On this episode, we're talking to Jennifer C. Pan, author of Selling Social Justice: Why the Rich Love Antiracism, about why she thinks people on the left should be skeptical of DEI programs as well. We get into how DEI programs are frequently used as a tool for large corporations to assert their moral authority — without actually sacrificing their bottom line, or improving conditions for workers writ large.
  
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  ✶]]>2295antiracism,black artists,black liberation,black music,corporate antiracism,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,dei programs,jennifer c. pan,music and race,race and politics,racial equity,racial justice,racial programming,selling social justice,social justice critique,systemic racism,white allyship,white identity,white progressivismfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/apu-hank-azaria-and-hari-kondabolu-who-gets-to-impersonate-who--72781859Indian-american hari kondabolu grows up haunted by Apu. he makes a documentary about it, spending years trying to get hank azaria to sit down with him, to talk about the impact apu has had on him. azaria says no.
  six years later, they finally talk. on the record. and what gets said is more interesting than either man coming out looking good or bad. it’s about who gets to choose how they’re seen, and who never gets that choice at all.
  as always, this one is personal, too. i have my own version of apu, and i still don’t have a clean answer for what to do with it.
  
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  1. the problem with apu
  2. NPR code switch: the fallout of a callout
  3. man enough: hank azaria's journey to radical accountability
  4. unpacking the invisible knapsack by peggy mcintosh
  5. soul focused group
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72781859Wed, 19 Aug 2026 12:55:03 +0000erich huffakerapu is a lovable, funny cartoon character from the simpsons, voiced by hank azaria. he also happens to be voiced by a white guy doing an impression of another white guy’s brownface impression of an indian man. Indian-american hari kondabolu grows up...Indian-american hari kondabolu grows up haunted by Apu. he makes a documentary about it, spending years trying to get hank azaria to sit down with him, to talk about the impact apu has had on him. azaria says no.
  six years later, they finally talk. on the record. and what gets said is more interesting than either man coming out looking good or bad. it’s about who gets to choose how they’re seen, and who never gets that choice at all.
  as always, this one is personal, too. i have my own version of apu, and i still don’t have a clean answer for what to do with it.
  
  links from this episode:
  
  1. the problem with apu
  2. NPR code switch: the fallout of a callout
  3. man enough: hank azaria's journey to radical accountability
  4. unpacking the invisible knapsack by peggy mcintosh
  5. soul focused group
  6. human solidarity project
  
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>1274antiracism,apu controversy,code switch,cultural appropriation,hank azaria,hari kondabolu,liberation,music and race,peter sellers brownface,race and performance,racial justice,racial programming,racial representation,socially conscious podcast,south asian representation,the problem with apu,the simpsons race,white allyship,white identity,white privilegefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-hank-azaria-s-journey-to-radical-accountability-the-man-enough-podcast--72746788.
  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72746788Wed, 19 Aug 2026 12:55:03 +0000erich huffaker4151accountability,antiracism,black liberation,black music,cancel culture,cultural appropriation,cultural conditioning,dustin washington,hank azaria,human solidarity,identity politics,music and race,race and masculinity,racial equity,racial justice,racial programming,social change,unconscious bias,white allyship,white identityfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/kid-rock-black-music-and-the-spell-of-american-racism--72570008
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72570008Wed, 12 Aug 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakera black hip hop crew in detroit gave a rich white kid named bob ritchie his start. that kid became kid rock. this episode is about what he did with that gift and what eric clapton did with a similar one decades earlier in england. i trace both stories...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>2016antiracism,black music history,confederate flag,cultural appropriation,detroit hip hop,eric clapton,kid rock,kid rock maga,liberation not guilt,maga,musicians and politics,race and music,reciprocity,shadow work,white america black music,whiteness,white people black music,white privilege,white supremacyfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/who-s-missing-in-this-room-racism-and-the-music-industry-w-winter-williams--73048574.
  winter williams is a community builder, event producer and financial feminist based in the bay area. she's worked in finance, raised kids, and found her way back to the arts.
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  we talk about nepotism, willful blindness, the difference between lip service and actual change, and why racism is fundamentally about power and not about what color your friends are.
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73048574Wed, 05 Aug 2026 12:55:03 +0000erich huffakeri've been slowly waking up to how segregated the music industry is. when you consider how much black music has shaped the sound of this country, it's striking that most of the gatekeepers are still white. i wanted to talk to someone who works inside....
  winter williams is a community builder, event producer and financial feminist based in the bay area. she's worked in finance, raised kids, and found her way back to the arts.
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  we talk about nepotism, willful blindness, the difference between lip service and actual change, and why racism is fundamentally about power and not about what color your friends are.
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>4966antiracism,black artists,black music,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,east bay music scene,festival booking,funk music history,music and race,music industry diversity,music industry racism,music production,oakland music,orchestra gold,racial equity,racial justice,systemic racism,white allyship,white identity,winter williamsfalsefullhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thats-not-us-so-were-clean-seeing-white-part-6/id1036276968?i=1000384804860
  That's Not Us, So We're Clean (Seeing White, Part 6) | Scene On Radio
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136157Wed, 29 Jul 2026 13:20:02 +0000erich huffakerthis beautiful episode of scene on radio's "seeing white" series (link below) asks what white southerners can teach the rest of us about our own unconscious racial biases. the central idea is one i find really powerful: the most entrenched racial...
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  ✶]]>199accountability,antiracism,awareness,bias,feed,healing,history,identity,liberation,npr,podcast,race,racism,radio,reckoning,scene,southerners,systems,unconscious,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-that-s-not-us-so-we-re-clean-seeing-white-part-6-scene-on-radio--73048613
  — from Scene on Radio
  
  When it comes to America’s racial sins, past and present, a lot of us see people in one region of the country as guiltier than the rest. Host John Biewen spoke with some white Southern friends about that tendency. Part Six of our ongoing series, Seeing White. With recurring guest, Chenjerai Kumanyika.
  
  
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  Shannon Sullivan’s books, Revealing Whiteness and Good White People.
  
  
   Thanks to Chris Julin, whose 1991 NPR report on the Wisconsin fishing rights dispute we featured.
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73048613Wed, 29 Jul 2026 13:15:02 +0000erich huffakeroriginal show notes: — from Scene on Radio When it comes to America’s racial sins, past and present, a lot of us see people in one region of the country as guiltier than the rest. Host John Biewen spoke with some white Southern friends about that...
  — from Scene on Radio
  
  When it comes to America’s racial sins, past and present, a lot of us see people in one region of the country as guiltier than the rest. Host John Biewen spoke with some white Southern friends about that tendency. Part Six of our ongoing series, Seeing White. With recurring guest, Chenjerai Kumanyika.
  
  
  Image: A lynching on Clarkson Street, New York City, during the Draft Riots of 1863. Credit: Greenwich Village Society of Historical Preservation.
  
  
  Shannon Sullivan’s books, Revealing Whiteness and Good White People.
  
  
   Thanks to Chris Julin, whose 1991 NPR report on the Wisconsin fishing rights dispute we featured.
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>2432american racism,antiracism,anti racist,black artists,black liberation,black music,chenjerai kumanyika,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,john biewen,music and race,racial history,racialized identity,racial justice,racial programming,seeing white,socially conscious music,white allyship,white identity,white privilegefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/when-the-organizer-wants-a-black-musician-and-you-don-t-get-the-gig-with-ben-isaacs--72136154
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136154Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakeryou're white, you play black music, and you didn't get the gig because the organizer wanted a black musician. is that reverse racism? is it fair? how do you hold it without making it about you? ben isaacs and i go deep on the gray area that working...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>2536accountability,african,antiracism,appropriation,area,bay,black,drumming,equity,gigs,identity,liberation,music,musicians,opportunity,podcast,race,responsibility,west,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/what-does-responsibility-look-like-for-white-musicians-with-ben-isaacs--72136155
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136155Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:55:01 +0000erich huffakermy friend ben isaacs has been playing west african drumming in oakland for years. in this first conversation we get into the systemic reality hiding beneath the bay area's multicultural image, what it means that so much american music traces back to...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>1743accountability,african,antiracism,appropriation,area,bay,black,culture,drumming,identity,jazz,liberation,music,musicians,oakland,podcast,race,responsibility,west,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-reverse-racism-real--72136156
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136156Wed, 08 Jul 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakerthe term "reverse racism" often gets used as a weapon to shut down conversation, but the feeling underneath it is real and worth naming honestly. this is an attempt to offer a better frame for that feeling, one that points toward liberation rather...
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  ✶]]>1102accountability,antiracism,arab,conversation,defensiveness,healing,identity,justice,liberation,mixed,multiracial,palestinian,podcast,power,privilege,race,racism,reverse,systems,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/i-don-t-want-to-get-political-i-just-want-to-play-music--72135938
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72135938Wed, 24 Jun 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakeri used to believe i could love Black music and stay out of politics. a relationship forced me to confront how much harm was hiding inside that belief. this episode is a personal story about music, privilege, accountability, and what it actually means...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>727accountability,antiracism,awakening,awareness,black,culture,drumming,growth,healing,identity,justice,liberation,music,musicians,podcast,political,privilege,race,reciprocity,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/harm-tension-and-a-story-about-racial-confusion-with-aaron-kierbel--72135940
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72135940Wed, 10 Jun 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakerwhat happens inside you when someone is hurt by watching you play music rooted in a culture that isn't your own? drummer and educator aaron kierbel gets honest about the tension many white musicians carry, and shares a remarkable story from his...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>1907antiracism,appropriation,black,confusion,conversations,cultural,culture,drumming,humility,identity,justice,liberation,music,musicians,passing,podcast,race,racial,social,whitefalse4fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/are-we-just-coddling-white-folks-with-aaron-kierbel--72135939 (00:00:01) Welcome to White People, Black Music, and Liberation
  (00:00:29) Introducing Aaron Kerbel: Drummer, Educator, and Friend
  (00:01:17) The Tension Between White Space and Racial Justice
  (00:03:46) The Importance of White Spaces for Racial Reflection
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  white people doing racial justice work often face a hard question from their own communities: is focusing on white folks actually helping or just letting them off the hook? in this conversation with drummer and educator aaron kierbel, we explore the healing power of honest conversation, why white people need spaces to talk about race with one another, and how that work can open the door to deeper cross-racial dialogue rather than replace it.
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72135939Wed, 27 May 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakerwhite people doing racial justice work often face a hard question from their own communities: is focusing on white folks actually helping or just letting them off the hook? in this conversation with drummer and educator aaron kierbel, we explore the... (00:00:01) Welcome to White People, Black Music, and Liberation
  (00:00:29) Introducing Aaron Kerbel: Drummer, Educator, and Friend
  (00:01:17) The Tension Between White Space and Racial Justice
  (00:03:46) The Importance of White Spaces for Racial Reflection
  (00:10:56) Creating Spaces for Cross-Racial Dialogue
  (00:12:03) Wrapping Up and Next Episode Preview
  (00:12:28) Support the Podcast Community
  
  white people doing racial justice work often face a hard question from their own communities: is focusing on white folks actually helping or just letting them off the hook? in this conversation with drummer and educator aaron kierbel, we explore the healing power of honest conversation, why white people need spaces to talk about race with one another, and how that work can open the door to deeper cross-racial dialogue rather than replace it.
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>805and,antiracism,black,building,coddling,community,conversations,dialogue,folks,fragility,healing,identity,justice,liberation,music,people,race,racial,social,whitefalse9fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/making-space-for-the-sacred-in-antiracism-practice-with-matre--71989858
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/0a5ca17a-d1ec-31d4-9fe0-2ac5334f5667Wed, 13 May 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this conversation with matré we explore the role spiritual practice can play in antiracism work. meditation, inner reflection, and deep conversation can open spaces where we see our patterns more clearly and respond from courage and love rather...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>704false10fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-racism-a-wound-for-white-people-too-with-matre--71911374
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/51955a8d-9380-3d4c-8b01-b8d21c5fd166Wed, 29 Apr 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakercontinuing the conversation with matré, we explore the idea that racism is a collective wound in our society. what does liberation actually look like for white or white passing people doing this work? and how can inner growth, spiritual practice, and...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>988false6fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/racism-justice-why-even-care-with-matre--71911383
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/74cfe09c-5031-3129-8f61-7d3c229f7619Wed, 15 Apr 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakerwhy should anyone care about racial justice? in this episode matré reflects on growing up near a racial divide and the emotional truth that something in our society simply does not feel right. we explore the idea that injustice harms everyone and why...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>802false8fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/what-is-the-right-way-to-relate-to-being-white-and-loving-black-music-with-matre--71911381https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/the-love-bravely-podcast/id1783210134
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/fe255c6d-6533-3515-8e88-fa3808dc8002Wed, 01 Apr 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this episode, erich continues his conversation with hip hop artist and cultural worker matré, exploring a central tension many white and white passing people encounter: how to relate ethically, honestly, and responsibly to being white and playing...https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/the-love-bravely-podcast/id1783210134
  
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/03b09e7b-cad3-36a2-bc9a-40653e6ed212Wed, 18 Mar 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this episode, erich is joined by hip hop artist and cultural worker matre for a candid conversation about why conversations around race can feel so charged, vulnerable, and difficult, even among people committed to justice and growth. together,...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/0516f5d1-d87b-3443-8857-ed0ad5064c0bWed, 04 Mar 2026 13:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this episode, erich responds to a question that arises often in conversations about cultural appropriation: is the narrative itself harmful, or is it naming harm that already exists? this conversation is especially oriented toward white and white...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/9a4ab336-2b9f-3687-a6ee-c317c5ee6642Wed, 18 Feb 2026 13:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this episode, erich reflects on why the language of liberation feels more accurate than anti racism to his lived experience. drawing from personal reflection, spiritual frameworks, and liberatory thinkers, this transmission explores the difference...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/64a4c3a2-53db-3c3c-9b5d-72fe9c6a9b63Wed, 04 Feb 2026 13:55:00 +0000erich huffakerwhy do some white or white-passing people feel a desire to be the only white person in the room? in this episode, i reflect on my own longing for belonging in black spaces, the cultural void created by assimilation into whiteness, and how love for...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/c7e289a3-1b9b-3f0c-ae09-1542c38a69ebWed, 21 Jan 2026 13:55:00 +0000erich huffakerwhat happens when anger is both justified and disruptive? in this personal vignette, erich reflects on a moment at a gym, family tensions, and the challenge of working with anger in anti racism and liberation work. rather than offering solutions, this...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/4fb02961-2d30-36ed-a02a-579f2c545228Wed, 07 Jan 2026 17:11:12 +0000erich huffakerthis episode asks a hard question: am i doing cultural appropriation? drawing from personal experience, spiritual community conversations, and the work of shelly tochluk, i explore why defensiveness often blocks discernment, how harm can exist even...
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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  ✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/b3c9106a-a708-349c-a1f1-ac220306e756Wed, 07 Jan 2026 17:10:41 +0000erich huffakerthis episode opens with a personal disclaimer. i’m not an expert or authority. i’m a mostly white-passing arab american musician reflecting on race, proximity to black music, and how unconscious racial programming shapes our inner and outer worlds....
  white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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  have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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