https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/white-people-black-music-and-liberation--7017995enSociety & CultureCopyright erich huffakerhttps://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/bf2ade8633f5a4ea23602ba8a8765577.jpghttps://www.spreaker.com/podcast/white-people-black-music-and-liberation--7017995Wed, 09 Sep 2026 13:55:04 +0000erich huffakererich huffakerwhitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.comwe explore antiracism as liberation work, not a politics of opposition. this podcast is especially for white and white passing people, and particularly musicians, who are in relationship with Black music and culture. through reflective, question...false9ef91853-4c47-57f6-9f0d-4722af3ea460episodichttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-reissued-african-vinyl-in-the-21st-century-afropop-worldwide--73320227◇
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— from Afropop Worldwide

The golden age of vinyl records is long past in Africa, but the market for rare and reissued African vinyl outside the continent has been growing steadily since the early 2000s. DJs and collectors have turned an obsession with rare records and forgotten gems from Cape Town to Tangiers into an international reissue and compilation industry, led by record labels such as Soundway, Strut and Analog Africa. This program explores some of the complex and shifting dynamics of neocolonialism, cultural ownership and audience in the African vinyl market. We’ll hear stories from label owners, DJs and artists, touching on controversies around Nigerian disco funk reissues, new career opportunities for sometimes-obscure African artists, the unique vinyl culture in South Africa, and much more.

Produced by Morgan Greenstreet and Alejandro Van Zandt-Escobar, with Nenim Iwebuke.
APWW #749

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⋄ original show notes ⋄

— from Afropop Worldwide

The golden age of vinyl records is long past in Africa, but the market for rare and reissued African vinyl outside the continent has been growing steadily since the early 2000s. DJs and collectors have turned an obsession with rare records and forgotten gems from Cape Town to Tangiers into an international reissue and compilation industry, led by record labels such as Soundway, Strut and Analog Africa. This program explores some of the complex and shifting dynamics of neocolonialism, cultural ownership and audience in the African vinyl market. We’ll hear stories from label owners, DJs and artists, touching on controversies around Nigerian disco funk reissues, new career opportunities for sometimes-obscure African artists, the unique vinyl culture in South Africa, and much more.

Produced by Morgan Greenstreet and Alejandro Van Zandt-Escobar, with Nenim Iwebuke.
APWW #749

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/

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✶]]>312african music,afro pop worldwide,antiracism,black artists,black music,cultural appropriation,cultural extraction,cultural liberation,george collinet,hailu mergia,music and race,music industry ethics,power and music,racial hierarchy,racial justice,record collecting,socially conscious music,vinyl reissue,white allyship,white identityfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/the-prisoner-number-one-and-the-racism-i-can-t-see--73048604.
the most obvious layer of racism is the external one. the structures, the history, the systems. and that layer is real and it matters. but there is another layer underneath it. the programming that was installed so early, and reinforced so consistently, that it stopped feeling like programming at all. it just feels like intuition. like just the way things are. that is the layer this episode is about.
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white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73048604Wed, 02 Sep 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakerthe prisoner was created by and stars patrick mcgoohan. it is one of the strangest, most psychedelic, most uncompromising pieces of television ever made. and it ends with a reveal that caused a near riot in britain and sent mcgoohan into hiding in the....
the most obvious layer of racism is the external one. the structures, the history, the systems. and that layer is real and it matters. but there is another layer underneath it. the programming that was installed so early, and reinforced so consistently, that it stopped feeling like programming at all. it just feels like intuition. like just the way things are. that is the layer this episode is about.
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white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>1031antiracism,anti-racist work,black liberation,black music,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,internal bias,music and race,patrick mcgoohan,racialized identity,racial justice,racial programming,self-examination,socially conscious music,systemic racism,the prisoner tv show,unconscious racism,white allyship,white identity,white people black musicfalsefullhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hate-it-or-love-it-is-dei-a-distraction/id1112190608?i=1000762973669
Hate it or love it, is DEI a distraction? (Code Switch, NPR)






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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136158Wed, 26 Aug 2026 14:00:02 +0000erich huffakeri went into the episode of code switch linked below as someone who always thought DEI was imperfect but necessary. i came out questioning it. guest jennifer c. penn argues that corporate DEI programs often signal virtue without changing anything real....
Hate it or love it, is DEI a distraction? (Code Switch, NPR)






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✶]]>198accountability,antiracism,class,codeswitch,corporate,dei,diversity,equity,feed,inclusion,justice,liberation,npr,podcast,policy,race,reform,supremacy,systems,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-hate-it-or-love-it-is-dei-a-distraction-code-switch--73048612
— from Code Switch

The Trump administration has been very candid about their disdain for all things DEI. But it's not just conservatives who have critiques. On this episode, we're talking to Jennifer C. Pan, author of Selling Social Justice: Why the Rich Love Antiracism, about why she thinks people on the left should be skeptical of DEI programs as well. We get into how DEI programs are frequently used as a tool for large corporations to assert their moral authority — without actually sacrificing their bottom line, or improving conditions for workers writ large.

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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73048612Wed, 26 Aug 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakeroriginal show notes: — from Code Switch The Trump administration has been very candid about their disdain for all things DEI. But it's not just conservatives who have critiques. On this episode, we're talking to Jennifer C. Pan, author of Selling...
— from Code Switch

The Trump administration has been very candid about their disdain for all things DEI. But it's not just conservatives who have critiques. On this episode, we're talking to Jennifer C. Pan, author of Selling Social Justice: Why the Rich Love Antiracism, about why she thinks people on the left should be skeptical of DEI programs as well. We get into how DEI programs are frequently used as a tool for large corporations to assert their moral authority — without actually sacrificing their bottom line, or improving conditions for workers writ large.

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✶]]>2295antiracism,black artists,black liberation,black music,corporate antiracism,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,dei programs,jennifer c. pan,music and race,race and politics,racial equity,racial justice,racial programming,selling social justice,social justice critique,systemic racism,white allyship,white identity,white progressivismfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/apu-hank-azaria-and-hari-kondabolu-who-gets-to-impersonate-who--72781859Indian-american hari kondabolu grows up haunted by Apu. he makes a documentary about it, spending years trying to get hank azaria to sit down with him, to talk about the impact apu has had on him. azaria says no.
six years later, they finally talk. on the record. and what gets said is more interesting than either man coming out looking good or bad. it’s about who gets to choose how they’re seen, and who never gets that choice at all.
as always, this one is personal, too. i have my own version of apu, and i still don’t have a clean answer for what to do with it.

links from this episode:

1. the problem with apu
2. NPR code switch: the fallout of a callout
3. man enough: hank azaria's journey to radical accountability
4. unpacking the invisible knapsack by peggy mcintosh
5. soul focused group
6. human solidarity project

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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72781859Wed, 19 Aug 2026 12:55:03 +0000erich huffakerapu is a lovable, funny cartoon character from the simpsons, voiced by hank azaria. he also happens to be voiced by a white guy doing an impression of another white guy’s brownface impression of an indian man. Indian-american hari kondabolu grows up...Indian-american hari kondabolu grows up haunted by Apu. he makes a documentary about it, spending years trying to get hank azaria to sit down with him, to talk about the impact apu has had on him. azaria says no.
six years later, they finally talk. on the record. and what gets said is more interesting than either man coming out looking good or bad. it’s about who gets to choose how they’re seen, and who never gets that choice at all.
as always, this one is personal, too. i have my own version of apu, and i still don’t have a clean answer for what to do with it.

links from this episode:

1. the problem with apu
2. NPR code switch: the fallout of a callout
3. man enough: hank azaria's journey to radical accountability
4. unpacking the invisible knapsack by peggy mcintosh
5. soul focused group
6. human solidarity project

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✶]]>1274antiracism,apu controversy,code switch,cultural appropriation,hank azaria,hari kondabolu,liberation,music and race,peter sellers brownface,race and performance,racial justice,racial programming,racial representation,socially conscious podcast,south asian representation,the problem with apu,the simpsons race,white allyship,white identity,white privilegefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-hank-azaria-s-journey-to-radical-accountability-the-man-enough-podcast--72746788.
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72746788Wed, 19 Aug 2026 12:55:03 +0000erich huffaker4151accountability,antiracism,black liberation,black music,cancel culture,cultural appropriation,cultural conditioning,dustin washington,hank azaria,human solidarity,identity politics,music and race,race and masculinity,racial equity,racial justice,racial programming,social change,unconscious bias,white allyship,white identityfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/kid-rock-black-music-and-the-spell-of-american-racism--72570008
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72570008Wed, 12 Aug 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakera black hip hop crew in detroit gave a rich white kid named bob ritchie his start. that kid became kid rock. this episode is about what he did with that gift and what eric clapton did with a similar one decades earlier in england. i trace both stories...
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✶]]>2016antiracism,black music history,confederate flag,cultural appropriation,detroit hip hop,eric clapton,kid rock,kid rock maga,liberation not guilt,maga,musicians and politics,race and music,reciprocity,shadow work,white america black music,whiteness,white people black music,white privilege,white supremacyfalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/who-s-missing-in-this-room-racism-and-the-music-industry-w-winter-williams--73048574.
winter williams is a community builder, event producer and financial feminist based in the bay area. she's worked in finance, raised kids, and found her way back to the arts.
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we talk about nepotism, willful blindness, the difference between lip service and actual change, and why racism is fundamentally about power and not about what color your friends are.

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73048574Wed, 05 Aug 2026 12:55:03 +0000erich huffakeri've been slowly waking up to how segregated the music industry is. when you consider how much black music has shaped the sound of this country, it's striking that most of the gatekeepers are still white. i wanted to talk to someone who works inside....
winter williams is a community builder, event producer and financial feminist based in the bay area. she's worked in finance, raised kids, and found her way back to the arts.
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we talk about nepotism, willful blindness, the difference between lip service and actual change, and why racism is fundamentally about power and not about what color your friends are.

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>4966antiracism,black artists,black music,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,east bay music scene,festival booking,funk music history,music and race,music industry diversity,music industry racism,music production,oakland music,orchestra gold,racial equity,racial justice,systemic racism,white allyship,white identity,winter williamsfalsefullhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thats-not-us-so-were-clean-seeing-white-part-6/id1036276968?i=1000384804860
That's Not Us, So We're Clean (Seeing White, Part 6) | Scene On Radio














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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136157Wed, 29 Jul 2026 13:20:02 +0000erich huffakerthis beautiful episode of scene on radio's "seeing white" series (link below) asks what white southerners can teach the rest of us about our own unconscious racial biases. the central idea is one i find really powerful: the most entrenched racial...
That's Not Us, So We're Clean (Seeing White, Part 6) | Scene On Radio














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✶]]>199accountability,antiracism,awareness,bias,feed,healing,history,identity,liberation,npr,podcast,race,racism,radio,reckoning,scene,southerners,systems,unconscious,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recommendation-that-s-not-us-so-we-re-clean-seeing-white-part-6-scene-on-radio--73048613
— from Scene on Radio

When it comes to America’s racial sins, past and present, a lot of us see people in one region of the country as guiltier than the rest. Host John Biewen spoke with some white Southern friends about that tendency. Part Six of our ongoing series, Seeing White. With recurring guest, Chenjerai Kumanyika.


Image: A lynching on Clarkson Street, New York City, during the Draft Riots of 1863. Credit: Greenwich Village Society of Historical Preservation.


Shannon Sullivan’s books, Revealing Whiteness and Good White People.


 Thanks to Chris Julin, whose 1991 NPR report on the Wisconsin fishing rights dispute we featured.

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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73048613Wed, 29 Jul 2026 13:15:02 +0000erich huffakeroriginal show notes: — from Scene on Radio When it comes to America’s racial sins, past and present, a lot of us see people in one region of the country as guiltier than the rest. Host John Biewen spoke with some white Southern friends about that...
— from Scene on Radio

When it comes to America’s racial sins, past and present, a lot of us see people in one region of the country as guiltier than the rest. Host John Biewen spoke with some white Southern friends about that tendency. Part Six of our ongoing series, Seeing White. With recurring guest, Chenjerai Kumanyika.


Image: A lynching on Clarkson Street, New York City, during the Draft Riots of 1863. Credit: Greenwich Village Society of Historical Preservation.


Shannon Sullivan’s books, Revealing Whiteness and Good White People.


 Thanks to Chris Julin, whose 1991 NPR report on the Wisconsin fishing rights dispute we featured.

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>2432american racism,antiracism,anti racist,black artists,black liberation,black music,chenjerai kumanyika,cultural appropriation,cultural liberation,john biewen,music and race,racial history,racialized identity,racial justice,racial programming,seeing white,socially conscious music,white allyship,white identity,white privilegefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/when-the-organizer-wants-a-black-musician-and-you-don-t-get-the-gig-with-ben-isaacs--72136154
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136154Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakeryou're white, you play black music, and you didn't get the gig because the organizer wanted a black musician. is that reverse racism? is it fair? how do you hold it without making it about you? ben isaacs and i go deep on the gray area that working...
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✶]]>2536accountability,african,antiracism,appropriation,area,bay,black,drumming,equity,gigs,identity,liberation,music,musicians,opportunity,podcast,race,responsibility,west,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/what-does-responsibility-look-like-for-white-musicians-with-ben-isaacs--72136155
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136155Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:55:01 +0000erich huffakermy friend ben isaacs has been playing west african drumming in oakland for years. in this first conversation we get into the systemic reality hiding beneath the bay area's multicultural image, what it means that so much american music traces back to...
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✶]]>1743accountability,african,antiracism,appropriation,area,bay,black,culture,drumming,identity,jazz,liberation,music,musicians,oakland,podcast,race,responsibility,west,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-reverse-racism-real--72136156
resources: 
Why I Can't Make Up My Mind About Race Policies & Reparations | Know Better, Do Better




















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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72136156Wed, 08 Jul 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakerthe term "reverse racism" often gets used as a weapon to shut down conversation, but the feeling underneath it is real and worth naming honestly. this is an attempt to offer a better frame for that feeling, one that points toward liberation rather...
resources: 
Why I Can't Make Up My Mind About Race Policies & Reparations | Know Better, Do Better




















white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>1102accountability,antiracism,arab,conversation,defensiveness,healing,identity,justice,liberation,mixed,multiracial,palestinian,podcast,power,privilege,race,racism,reverse,systems,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/i-don-t-want-to-get-political-i-just-want-to-play-music--72135938
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72135938Wed, 24 Jun 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakeri used to believe i could love Black music and stay out of politics. a relationship forced me to confront how much harm was hiding inside that belief. this episode is a personal story about music, privilege, accountability, and what it actually means...
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✶]]>727accountability,antiracism,awakening,awareness,black,culture,drumming,growth,healing,identity,justice,liberation,music,musicians,podcast,political,privilege,race,reciprocity,whitefalsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/harm-tension-and-a-story-about-racial-confusion-with-aaron-kierbel--72135940
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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✶]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72135940Wed, 10 Jun 2026 12:55:02 +0000erich huffakerwhat happens inside you when someone is hurt by watching you play music rooted in a culture that isn't your own? drummer and educator aaron kierbel gets honest about the tension many white musicians carry, and shares a remarkable story from his...
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✶]]>1907antiracism,appropriation,black,confusion,conversations,cultural,culture,drumming,humility,identity,justice,liberation,music,musicians,passing,podcast,race,racial,social,whitefalse4fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/are-we-just-coddling-white-folks-with-aaron-kierbel--72135939 (00:00:01) Welcome to White People, Black Music, and Liberation
(00:00:29) Introducing Aaron Kerbel: Drummer, Educator, and Friend
(00:01:17) The Tension Between White Space and Racial Justice
(00:03:46) The Importance of White Spaces for Racial Reflection
(00:10:56) Creating Spaces for Cross-Racial Dialogue
(00:12:03) Wrapping Up and Next Episode Preview
(00:12:28) Support the Podcast Community

white people doing racial justice work often face a hard question from their own communities: is focusing on white folks actually helping or just letting them off the hook? in this conversation with drummer and educator aaron kierbel, we explore the healing power of honest conversation, why white people need spaces to talk about race with one another, and how that work can open the door to deeper cross-racial dialogue rather than replace it.

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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(00:00:29) Introducing Aaron Kerbel: Drummer, Educator, and Friend
(00:01:17) The Tension Between White Space and Racial Justice
(00:03:46) The Importance of White Spaces for Racial Reflection
(00:10:56) Creating Spaces for Cross-Racial Dialogue
(00:12:03) Wrapping Up and Next Episode Preview
(00:12:28) Support the Podcast Community

white people doing racial justice work often face a hard question from their own communities: is focusing on white folks actually helping or just letting them off the hook? in this conversation with drummer and educator aaron kierbel, we explore the healing power of honest conversation, why white people need spaces to talk about race with one another, and how that work can open the door to deeper cross-racial dialogue rather than replace it.

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
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white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/0a5ca17a-d1ec-31d4-9fe0-2ac5334f5667Wed, 13 May 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this conversation with matré we explore the role spiritual practice can play in antiracism work. meditation, inner reflection, and deep conversation can open spaces where we see our patterns more clearly and respond from courage and love rather...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>704false10fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-racism-a-wound-for-white-people-too-with-matre--71911374
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/51955a8d-9380-3d4c-8b01-b8d21c5fd166Wed, 29 Apr 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakercontinuing the conversation with matré, we explore the idea that racism is a collective wound in our society. what does liberation actually look like for white or white passing people doing this work? and how can inner growth, spiritual practice, and...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>988false6fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/racism-justice-why-even-care-with-matre--71911383
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/74cfe09c-5031-3129-8f61-7d3c229f7619Wed, 15 Apr 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakerwhy should anyone care about racial justice? in this episode matré reflects on growing up near a racial divide and the emotional truth that something in our society simply does not feel right. we explore the idea that injustice harms everyone and why...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>802false8fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/what-is-the-right-way-to-relate-to-being-white-and-loving-black-music-with-matre--71911381https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/the-love-bravely-podcast/id1783210134

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/fe255c6d-6533-3515-8e88-fa3808dc8002Wed, 01 Apr 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this episode, erich continues his conversation with hip hop artist and cultural worker matré, exploring a central tension many white and white passing people encounter: how to relate ethically, honestly, and responsibly to being white and playing...https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/the-love-bravely-podcast/id1783210134

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>518false8fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/why-is-race-so-hard-to-talk-about-with-matre--71911382
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/03b09e7b-cad3-36a2-bc9a-40653e6ed212Wed, 18 Mar 2026 12:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this episode, erich is joined by hip hop artist and cultural worker matre for a candid conversation about why conversations around race can feel so charged, vulnerable, and difficult, even among people committed to justice and growth. together,...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>790false7fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-drawing-attention-to-cultural-appropriation-causing-harm--71911377
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/0516f5d1-d87b-3443-8857-ed0ad5064c0bWed, 04 Mar 2026 13:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this episode, erich responds to a question that arises often in conversations about cultural appropriation: is the narrative itself harmful, or is it naming harm that already exists? this conversation is especially oriented toward white and white...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>553false6fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/beyond-anti-racism-into-liberation--71911376
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/9a4ab336-2b9f-3687-a6ee-c317c5ee6642Wed, 18 Feb 2026 13:55:00 +0000erich huffakerin this episode, erich reflects on why the language of liberation feels more accurate than anti racism to his lived experience. drawing from personal reflection, spiritual frameworks, and liberatory thinkers, this transmission explores the difference...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>497false5fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/why-do-i-want-to-be-the-only-white-guy-in-the-room--71911384
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/64a4c3a2-53db-3c3c-9b5d-72fe9c6a9b63Wed, 04 Feb 2026 13:55:00 +0000erich huffakerwhy do some white or white-passing people feel a desire to be the only white person in the room? in this episode, i reflect on my own longing for belonging in black spaces, the cultural void created by assimilation into whiteness, and how love for...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>676false3fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-my-anger-blocking-your-liberation--71911380
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/c7e289a3-1b9b-3f0c-ae09-1542c38a69ebWed, 21 Jan 2026 13:55:00 +0000erich huffakerwhat happens when anger is both justified and disruptive? in this personal vignette, erich reflects on a moment at a gym, family tensions, and the challenge of working with anger in anti racism and liberation work. rather than offering solutions, this...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>1047false4fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/am-i-doing-cultural-appropriation--71911378
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/4fb02961-2d30-36ed-a02a-579f2c545228Wed, 07 Jan 2026 17:11:12 +0000erich huffakerthis episode asks a hard question: am i doing cultural appropriation? drawing from personal experience, spiritual community conversations, and the work of shelly tochluk, i explore why defensiveness often blocks discernment, how harm can exist even...
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>839false2fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/first-a-disclaimer--71911385
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
✶]]>whitepeopleblackmusic.podbean.com/b3c9106a-a708-349c-a1f1-ac220306e756Wed, 07 Jan 2026 17:10:41 +0000erich huffakerthis episode opens with a personal disclaimer. i’m not an expert or authority. i’m a mostly white-passing arab american musician reflecting on race, proximity to black music, and how unconscious racial programming shapes our inner and outer worlds....
white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com
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