https://www.matcreedon.com/artist-producer/nat-and-mat-studio-conversationsRecorded live in the studio where they create music together, these conversations explore the creative process, the nature of existence, and what it means to live and create from a deeper place. 
Natalie’s raw, instinctive questioning meets Mat’s grounded, often humorous perspective as they navigate both the physical and the spiritual in real time no filters, no scripts, no pretending to have it all figured out.
For artists, creatives, and anyone learning to move through life with more presence, less noise, and a deeper sense of awareness.

🎧 Hear the music they’re creating as it happens:
👉 Listen to Iris Belhaze: Spotify Link 👉 Listen to Mat Creedon: Spotify Link

]]>enSociety & CultureNatalie Zannoni and Mathew Creedonhttps://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/4ae8af7e692dc8e5fd8d24dce9da3e05.jpghttps://www.matcreedon.com/artist-producer/nat-and-mat-studio-conversationsMon, 27 Apr 2026 22:03:37 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonNatalie Zannoni and Mathew Creedonmat@matcreedon.netHosted by artist Natalie Zannoni (aka Iris Belhaze) and music producer Mat Creedon, The Inner Studio is a space for open, real conversations.Two perspectives grounded in one shared consciousness.  Recorded live in the studio where they create music...Recorded live in the studio where they create music together, these conversations explore the creative process, the nature of existence, and what it means to live and create from a deeper place. 
Natalie’s raw, instinctive questioning meets Mat’s grounded, often humorous perspective as they navigate both the physical and the spiritual in real time no filters, no scripts, no pretending to have it all figured out.
For artists, creatives, and anyone learning to move through life with more presence, less noise, and a deeper sense of awareness.

🎧 Hear the music they’re creating as it happens:
👉 Listen to Iris Belhaze: Spotify Link 👉 Listen to Mat Creedon: Spotify Link

]]>trueepisodichttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/impostor-syndrome-making-art-without-enough-life-experience--71580616They dive into impostor syndrome, creating from imagination versus lived experience, and how even the most ordinary moments can hold deep emotional truth.
This conversation moves through creativity, memory, healing, and presence—uncovering the idea that you don’t need a dramatic life to make powerful art.
Sometimes, simply being alive is more than enough.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71580616Mon, 27 Apr 2026 22:00:02 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode of Inner Sound Studio, Nat and Mat explore the feeling many artists carry—questioning whether their life is “interesting enough” to create meaningful art. They dive into impostor syndrome, creating from imagination versus lived...They dive into impostor syndrome, creating from imagination versus lived experience, and how even the most ordinary moments can hold deep emotional truth.
This conversation moves through creativity, memory, healing, and presence—uncovering the idea that you don’t need a dramatic life to make powerful art.
Sometimes, simply being alive is more than enough.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>3030art,artist,creative,creativity,doubt,emotional,growth,healing,impostor,inspiration,making,mindfulness,mindset,music,personal,podcast,process,self,songwriting,syndromefalse212fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/why-you-feel-stuck-and-how-to-break-the-pattern-inner-sound-studio-with-nat-mat--71474869Inner Sound Studio with Nat & Mat, we explore a simple but powerful question:
Why do we keep repeating the same patterns in life?
From overthinking and emotional reactions to deeper unconscious habits, it can often feel like we’re stuck in loops we don’t fully understand. But what if the issue isn’t your life… it’s how the mind is operating beneath the surface?
This conversation looks at awareness, identity, and the space between reacting and observing. When you begin to notice your patterns clearly, something shifts — and real change becomes possible.
A grounded, honest discussion on breaking cycles, understanding the mind, and finding a little more freedom in everyday life.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71474869Mon, 20 Apr 2026 22:00:03 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode of Inner Sound Studio with Nat & Mat, we explore a simple but powerful question: Why do we keep repeating the same patterns in life? From overthinking and emotional reactions to deeper unconscious habits, it can often feel like...Inner Sound Studio with Nat & Mat, we explore a simple but powerful question:
Why do we keep repeating the same patterns in life?
From overthinking and emotional reactions to deeper unconscious habits, it can often feel like we’re stuck in loops we don’t fully understand. But what if the issue isn’t your life… it’s how the mind is operating beneath the surface?
This conversation looks at awareness, identity, and the space between reacting and observing. When you begin to notice your patterns clearly, something shifts — and real change becomes possible.
A grounded, honest discussion on breaking cycles, understanding the mind, and finding a little more freedom in everyday life.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>2513advice,awareness,behaviour,consciousness,emotional,growth,habits,health,inner,intelligence,life,mental,mindfulness,mindset,personal,philosophy,psychology,self,spiritual,workfalse211fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/why-does-life-give-you-things-after-you-stop-chasing-them--71152572Inner Sound Studio (Nat & Mat Podcast) we explore a curious paradox of life:
Why do things often arrive only after we stop chasing them?
The conversation moves through ideas of detachment, success, suffering, and awareness, and why learning to let go doesn’t mean withdrawing from life — it may actually allow us to participate in it more fully.
Mat and Nat also explore the difference between pain and suffering, why developing special abilities or talents doesn’t necessarily mean wisdom, and how awareness changes the way we relate to success, failure, and the things we accumulate along the way.
This episode is a reflective conversation about creativity, consciousness, and the strange way life sometimes begins to cooperate when we stop trying to control it.
If you enjoy conversations about philosophy, meditation, creativity, and the deeper patterns of life, this episode will resonate.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71152572Tue, 07 Apr 2026 09:43:38 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode of Inner Sound Studio (Nat & Mat Podcast) we explore a curious paradox of life: Why do things often arrive only after we stop chasing them? The conversation moves through ideas of detachment, success, suffering, and awareness,...Inner Sound Studio (Nat & Mat Podcast) we explore a curious paradox of life:
Why do things often arrive only after we stop chasing them?
The conversation moves through ideas of detachment, success, suffering, and awareness, and why learning to let go doesn’t mean withdrawing from life — it may actually allow us to participate in it more fully.
Mat and Nat also explore the difference between pain and suffering, why developing special abilities or talents doesn’t necessarily mean wisdom, and how awareness changes the way we relate to success, failure, and the things we accumulate along the way.
This episode is a reflective conversation about creativity, consciousness, and the strange way life sometimes begins to cooperate when we stop trying to control it.
If you enjoy conversations about philosophy, meditation, creativity, and the deeper patterns of life, this episode will resonate.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>2368awareness consciousness medita,conversations meaning,discussion human,experience psychology,go detachment life,growth self,happiness modern,life,life spiritual,of,peace creative,philosophy spirituality mindfu,philosophy wisdom pain,spirituality deep,suffering inner,vsfalse210fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/why-we-avoid-the-things-we-love-most--70910292In this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, Nat and Mat explore a curious pattern in human behaviour — the tendency to avoid putting full effort into the passions that matter most to us. Whether it’s music, creativity, relationships, or personal growth, many people find themselves hesitating at the very moment they care the most.
Is it fear of failure? Fear of judgement? Or something deeper within the human psyche?
Nat and Mat unpack the subtle ways we protect ourselves from vulnerability, and how this protective instinct can sometimes stop us from fully expressing what we love.
This conversation touches on creativity, self-awareness, and the strange ways our minds try to keep us safe — even when it means holding us back.
A thoughtful and honest discussion about passion, effort, and learning to move beyond the invisible barriers we place in front of ourselves.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70910292Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:00:02 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonWhy do we sometimes hold back from the very things we love the most? In this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, Nat and Mat explore a curious pattern in human behaviour — the tendency to avoid putting full effort into the passions that matter most...In this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, Nat and Mat explore a curious pattern in human behaviour — the tendency to avoid putting full effort into the passions that matter most to us. Whether it’s music, creativity, relationships, or personal growth, many people find themselves hesitating at the very moment they care the most.
Is it fear of failure? Fear of judgement? Or something deeper within the human psyche?
Nat and Mat unpack the subtle ways we protect ourselves from vulnerability, and how this protective instinct can sometimes stop us from fully expressing what we love.
This conversation touches on creativity, self-awareness, and the strange ways our minds try to keep us safe — even when it means holding us back.
A thoughtful and honest discussion about passion, effort, and learning to move beyond the invisible barriers we place in front of ourselves.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>2092artist,awareness,creative,creativity,failure,fear,following,growth,mindfulness,mindset,musician,of,overcoming,passion,personal,podcast,process,psychology,self,yourfalse29fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/the-moment-you-stop-comparing-yourself-everything-changes--70770907In this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, we explore the quiet habit of comparison and how it can slowly distort the way we see ourselves and our lives. It’s something almost everyone does — measuring our progress, talents, and even our happiness against the people around us.
But what if that entire game is unnecessary?
During the conversation we reflect on a simple idea:
A flower doesn’t compete with the flower next to it… it just blooms.
From there the discussion moves into deeper territory — identity, self-perception, and the strange feeling that while our personalities change throughout life, something inside us seems to remain the same.
In this episode we talk about:
• Why comparison can make us miserable • How the mind creates identity • The difference between who we think we are and who we actually are • Learning to let go of unnecessary competition • Allowing yourself to simply grow in your own way
A relaxed conversation about awareness, identity, and the freedom that comes when we stop measuring ourselves against everyone else.
Sometimes the healthiest thing we can do is simply be ourselves and bloom in our own time.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70770907Mon, 23 Mar 2026 21:15:01 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonWhy do we spend so much time comparing ourselves to others? In this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, we explore the quiet habit of comparison and how it can slowly distort the way we see ourselves and our lives. It’s something almost everyone...In this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, we explore the quiet habit of comparison and how it can slowly distort the way we see ourselves and our lives. It’s something almost everyone does — measuring our progress, talents, and even our happiness against the people around us.
But what if that entire game is unnecessary?
During the conversation we reflect on a simple idea:
A flower doesn’t compete with the flower next to it… it just blooms.
From there the discussion moves into deeper territory — identity, self-perception, and the strange feeling that while our personalities change throughout life, something inside us seems to remain the same.
In this episode we talk about:
• Why comparison can make us miserable • How the mind creates identity • The difference between who we think we are and who we actually are • Learning to let go of unnecessary competition • Allowing yourself to simply grow in your own way
A relaxed conversation about awareness, identity, and the freedom that comes when we stop measuring ourselves against everyone else.
Sometimes the healthiest thing we can do is simply be ourselves and bloom in our own time.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>3732awareness,comparing,comparison,consciousness,growth,health,identity,improvement,life,mental,mindfulness,modern,personal,philosophy,presence,psychology,self,spirituality,stop,yourselffalse28fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/putting-the-cart-before-the-horse-why-artists-block-their-own-creativity--70584230Nat & Mat, we explore a common trap many artists fall into: judging their work before it has a chance to grow.
Natalie shares a quote from Maya Angelou — “The more you use it, the more you have.” It sparks a conversation about the fear many creative people experience: the feeling that their best work might already be behind them.
Mat reflects on how easy it is for artists to sabotage themselves by constantly rejecting their ideas too early. When every new idea is immediately labeled “not good enough,” we unknowingly practice the habit of creating more doubt instead of more art.
The conversation explores:

• Why artists often believe their best work is behind them
• How early self-criticism blocks creativity
• The surprising power of practicing the right mindset
• Why whatever you practice, you get better at
• The importance of letting creativity move before judging the result

Using simple metaphors — like steering a car away from a tree when you’re sliding — Mat explains how attention shapes the direction of our creative work.
Sometimes the problem isn’t talent. Sometimes we’ve simply put the cart before the horse.
Nat & Mat is a series of conversations about creativity, awareness, music, and the strange experience of being human.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70584230Mon, 16 Mar 2026 21:00:03 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode of Nat & Mat, we explore a common trap many artists fall into: judging their work before it has a chance to grow. Natalie shares a quote from Maya Angelou — “The more you use it, the more you have.” It sparks a conversation about...Nat & Mat, we explore a common trap many artists fall into: judging their work before it has a chance to grow.
Natalie shares a quote from Maya Angelou — “The more you use it, the more you have.” It sparks a conversation about the fear many creative people experience: the feeling that their best work might already be behind them.
Mat reflects on how easy it is for artists to sabotage themselves by constantly rejecting their ideas too early. When every new idea is immediately labeled “not good enough,” we unknowingly practice the habit of creating more doubt instead of more art.
The conversation explores:

• Why artists often believe their best work is behind them
• How early self-criticism blocks creativity
• The surprising power of practicing the right mindset
• Why whatever you practice, you get better at
• The importance of letting creativity move before judging the result

Using simple metaphors — like steering a car away from a tree when you’re sliding — Mat explains how attention shapes the direction of our creative work.
Sometimes the problem isn’t talent. Sometimes we’ve simply put the cart before the horse.
Nat & Mat is a series of conversations about creativity, awareness, music, and the strange experience of being human.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>2579and,art creative,awareness personal,block artists art,conversations,creativity creative,creativity making,creedon conscious,doubt overthinking mindfulness,growth philosophy psychology c,habits self,inspiration creative,mat,mindset creative,podcast mat,podcast nat,process creativefalse27fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/why-you-can-t-feel-your-emotions-and-how-to-reconnect-with-them--70497053In this episode of Nat & Mat, we explore the strange experience of emotional disconnection — those moments when you feel numb, apathetic, or creatively blocked.
Natalie asks a simple but powerful question: How do you connect with emotions you know exist, but can’t access?
Mat explores why this happens and why it might not be a problem at all. Sometimes emotional numbness isn’t brokenness — it’s regulation. Other times it’s the result of living in a stable environment where we rarely experience contrast.
In this conversation we explore:

• Why emotional numbness can be completely normal
• How comparison creates emotional intensity
• The idea of the mind as a lens that can become foggy over time
• Practices that help “polish the lens” — meditation, movement, and presence
• Why trying to force emotions often makes them harder to feel
• How emotional connection fuels creativity and artistic expression

We also talk about depression, apathy, spiritual practices, and why learning to sit with emotions — instead of fighting them — can transform the way we experience life.
If you’ve ever felt emotionally flat, creatively blocked, or wondered whether something is wrong with you… this episode might change the way you see it.
Sometimes the goal isn’t to create emotion.
Sometimes the goal is simply to be present enough to notice what’s already there. 🎧 Nat & Mat Podcast Conversations about creativity, awareness, music, and the strange experience of being human.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70497053Mon, 09 Mar 2026 21:00:02 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonWhat happens when you know emotions are there… but you can’t feel them? In this episode of Nat & Mat, we explore the strange experience of emotional disconnection — those moments when you feel numb, apathetic, or creatively blocked. Natalie asks...In this episode of Nat & Mat, we explore the strange experience of emotional disconnection — those moments when you feel numb, apathetic, or creatively blocked.
Natalie asks a simple but powerful question: How do you connect with emotions you know exist, but can’t access?
Mat explores why this happens and why it might not be a problem at all. Sometimes emotional numbness isn’t brokenness — it’s regulation. Other times it’s the result of living in a stable environment where we rarely experience contrast.
In this conversation we explore:

• Why emotional numbness can be completely normal
• How comparison creates emotional intensity
• The idea of the mind as a lens that can become foggy over time
• Practices that help “polish the lens” — meditation, movement, and presence
• Why trying to force emotions often makes them harder to feel
• How emotional connection fuels creativity and artistic expression

We also talk about depression, apathy, spiritual practices, and why learning to sit with emotions — instead of fighting them — can transform the way we experience life.
If you’ve ever felt emotionally flat, creatively blocked, or wondered whether something is wrong with you… this episode might change the way you see it.
Sometimes the goal isn’t to create emotion.
Sometimes the goal is simply to be present enough to notice what’s already there. 🎧 Nat & Mat Podcast Conversations about creativity, awareness, music, and the strange experience of being human.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>2897artistic expression,consciousness,creative block,creative process,creativity and emotions,creativity podcast,depression and apathy,emotional awareness,emotional intelligence,emotional numbness,how to connect with your emot,mat creedon,meditation,mindfulness,nat and mat podcast,personal growth,philosophy of mind,presence,self-awareness,spiritualityfalse26fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/writing-without-clinging-letting-go-of-the-outcome--70262212You sit down to create something honest… but somewhere along the way, the outcome sneaks in.
Will this be good? Will people like it? Will it stream? Will it define me?
In this episode, Nat and Mat talk about the subtle attachment artists develop to results — and how that attachment can quietly suffocate creativity.
We explore:
• Writing from pressure vs writing from presence • The fear of releasing imperfect work • Identity wrapped up in a song’s success • How letting go of outcome can actually make better art
This isn’t about pretending outcomes don’t matter.
It’s about noticing when they start driving the process.
If you’re a songwriter, producer, or creative of any kind — this conversation might feel uncomfortably familiar.
Make the song. Tell the truth. Then let it go.
— Nat & Mat

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70262212Mon, 02 Mar 2026 20:00:05 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonThere’s a strange tension in songwriting. You sit down to create something honest… but somewhere along the way, the outcome sneaks in. Will this be good? Will people like it? Will it stream? Will it define me? In this episode, Nat and Mat talk...You sit down to create something honest… but somewhere along the way, the outcome sneaks in.
Will this be good? Will people like it? Will it stream? Will it define me?
In this episode, Nat and Mat talk about the subtle attachment artists develop to results — and how that attachment can quietly suffocate creativity.
We explore:
• Writing from pressure vs writing from presence • The fear of releasing imperfect work • Identity wrapped up in a song’s success • How letting go of outcome can actually make better art
This isn’t about pretending outcomes don’t matter.
It’s about noticing when they start driving the process.
If you’re a songwriter, producer, or creative of any kind — this conversation might feel uncomfortably familiar.
Make the song. Tell the truth. Then let it go.
— Nat & Mat

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>3315and,anxiety songwriting,artist art,block music,creativity nat,ego creative,freedom songwriter,go creative,identity making,life creative,life music,mindset letting,music perfectionism creative,music release,podcast independent,process music,production artist,songwriting creative,tips producer,yourfalse25fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/acceptance-surrender-time-why-fighting-life-makes-it-harder--70127180Nat & Mat, we unpack something deceptively simple — acceptance.
What does it actually mean to surrender? Is surrender weakness… or intelligence? And why does fighting time feel like swimming upstream?
We explore how resistance creates suffering, how control is often an illusion, and what shifts when we stop trying to bend reality to our will. From personal stories to philosophical detours, this conversation moves through presence, ego, patience, and the strange freedom that comes when you stop arguing with life.
This one feels calm… but it cuts deep.
If you’ve ever felt frustrated with how things are unfolding — this episode might land exactly where it needs to.
—
Listen. Reflect. Let go (a little).

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70127180Mon, 23 Feb 2026 20:00:02 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode of Nat & Mat, we unpack something deceptively simple — acceptance. What does it actually mean to surrender? Is surrender weakness… or intelligence? And why does fighting time feel like swimming upstream? We explore how resistance...Nat & Mat, we unpack something deceptively simple — acceptance.
What does it actually mean to surrender? Is surrender weakness… or intelligence? And why does fighting time feel like swimming upstream?
We explore how resistance creates suffering, how control is often an illusion, and what shifts when we stop trying to bend reality to our will. From personal stories to philosophical detours, this conversation moves through presence, ego, patience, and the strange freedom that comes when you stop arguing with life.
This one feels calm… but it cuts deep.
If you’ve ever felt frustrated with how things are unfolding — this episode might land exactly where it needs to.
—
Listen. Reflect. Let go (a little).

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>4081acceptance surrender letting,and,awareness ego,clarity life,control presence inner,conversations nat,go time,growth mental,growth mindfulness self,living emotional,mat meditation,mindset,patience personal,peace philosophy,podcast spiritual,reflection deep,resilience self,transitions conscioustrue24fullhttps://www.matcreedon.com/artist-producer/nat-and-mat-studio-conversationsWhat is love?
Is it chemistry? Attachment? Devotion? Projection? A biological trick? A spiritual force? Or something we only recognise once it’s gone?
Nat & Mat dive deep into the layers of romance, ego, expectation, heartbreak, and the uncomfortable truths we don’t like to admit about connection. This isn’t a fluffy conversation about roses and fairy tales — it’s an honest, strange, and sometimes hilarious exploration of what actually drives us toward each other… and away.
As always, expect sharp turns, unexpected humour, uncomfortable questions, and a few moments that might make you rethink your own story.
If love is the most powerful force in our lives… why does it confuse us so much?
🎧 Listen now on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, Spreaker and everywhere you get your podcasts.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70000953Thu, 12 Feb 2026 02:21:27 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn Season 2, Episode 3 of Nat & Mat, we ask one of the most overused — and misunderstood — questions of all time: What is love? Is it chemistry? Attachment? Devotion? Projection? A biological trick? A spiritual force? Or something we only...What is love?
Is it chemistry? Attachment? Devotion? Projection? A biological trick? A spiritual force? Or something we only recognise once it’s gone?
Nat & Mat dive deep into the layers of romance, ego, expectation, heartbreak, and the uncomfortable truths we don’t like to admit about connection. This isn’t a fluffy conversation about roses and fairy tales — it’s an honest, strange, and sometimes hilarious exploration of what actually drives us toward each other… and away.
As always, expect sharp turns, unexpected humour, uncomfortable questions, and a few moments that might make you rethink your own story.
If love is the most powerful force in our lives… why does it confuse us so much?
🎧 Listen now on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, Spreaker and everywhere you get your podcasts.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>3788and,discussion psychology,fail conscious,in,intimacy dating,is,love,love attachment,love ego,love spiritual,of,on,podcast modern,relationships,relationships emotional,relationships what,relationships why,self,view,vstrue23fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/taking-life-way-too-seriously-until-it-gets-funny--69704046Nat and Mat Podcast, things start off serious… and immediately unravel.
Nat and Mat tumble through heatwaves, dusty festivals, childhood games, hippie chaos, fear spirals, and that strange moment when taking life too seriously turns into unintentional comedy. Somewhere between paranoia and play, they realise that fear often collapses the moment you look at it properly — or laugh at it hard enough.
This is a conversation about exaggerating fear until it becomes absurd, playing games like they actually matter (and then realising they don’t), and why the most serious people often end up being the funniest — usually by accident.
There’s no self-help here. No tidy conclusions. Just curiosity, contradiction, and the quiet realisation that loosening your grip on reality might actually make it clearer.
Weird? Yes. Pointless? Possibly. Useful? Annoyingly so.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/69704046Sat, 31 Jan 2026 10:06:51 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode of the Nat and Mat Podcast, things start off serious… and immediately unravel. Nat and Mat tumble through heatwaves, dusty festivals, childhood games, hippie chaos, fear spirals, and that strange moment when taking life too seriously...Nat and Mat Podcast, things start off serious… and immediately unravel.
Nat and Mat tumble through heatwaves, dusty festivals, childhood games, hippie chaos, fear spirals, and that strange moment when taking life too seriously turns into unintentional comedy. Somewhere between paranoia and play, they realise that fear often collapses the moment you look at it properly — or laugh at it hard enough.
This is a conversation about exaggerating fear until it becomes absurd, playing games like they actually matter (and then realising they don’t), and why the most serious people often end up being the funniest — usually by accident.
There’s no self-help here. No tidy conclusions. Just curiosity, contradiction, and the quiet realisation that loosening your grip on reality might actually make it clearer.
Weird? Yes. Pointless? Possibly. Useful? Annoyingly so.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>3840and,answers human,chat laughing,chats,comedy strange,conversations edgy,fear,fluff making,humour existential,life,no,philosophy taking,playful,podcast,ridiculous deep,seriously fear,talk mindfulness,too,weirdness consciousness,withoutfalse22fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/back-in-2026-creativity-change-the-human-experiment--69317834In this episode of the Nat and Mat Podcast, Nat and Mat ease into the new year with an open, honest conversation about where things are at — creatively, personally, and collectively.
From reflections on music and the creative process, to the strange feeling of time speeding up, to the quiet pressure we all feel to “have it together,” this episode is less about answers and more about noticing what’s actually happening right now.
It’s a relaxed, thoughtful check-in — part conversation, part reflection — touching on creativity, uncertainty, growth, and what it means to keep showing up as a human being in an increasingly noisy world.
If you’re entering the year feeling curious, unsettled, hopeful, or somewhere in between, this one’s for you.
🎧 New episodes of the Nat and Mat Podcast explore music, life, creativity, philosophy, and the beautifully messy experience of being human.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/69317834Tue, 06 Jan 2026 06:50:34 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonWe’re back — and it’s 2026. In this episode of the Nat and Mat Podcast, Nat and Mat ease into the new year with an open, honest conversation about where things are at — creatively, personally, and collectively. From reflections on music and the...In this episode of the Nat and Mat Podcast, Nat and Mat ease into the new year with an open, honest conversation about where things are at — creatively, personally, and collectively.
From reflections on music and the creative process, to the strange feeling of time speeding up, to the quiet pressure we all feel to “have it together,” this episode is less about answers and more about noticing what’s actually happening right now.
It’s a relaxed, thoughtful check-in — part conversation, part reflection — touching on creativity, uncertainty, growth, and what it means to keep showing up as a human being in an increasingly noisy world.
If you’re entering the year feeling curious, unsettled, hopeful, or somewhere in between, this one’s for you.
🎧 New episodes of the Nat and Mat Podcast explore music, life, creativity, philosophy, and the beautifully messy experience of being human.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>36742026,and,art,conversation,conversations,creative,independent,life,mat,meaning,music,musicians,nat,new,podcast,process,reflections,slow,yearfalse21fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-shamanic-christmas-ritual-meaning-modern-life-nat-mat--69188625Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation drifts into shamanic ideas, ancient ritual, and what Christmas may have once represented beyond the modern rush, noise, and consumerism.
Nat and Mat explore themes of symbolism, tradition, altered states, community, and the quieter inner meaning of seasonal rituals — while keeping things grounded, curious, and lightly humorous. It’s not about belief systems or dogma, but about noticing how ancient ways of marking time, reflection, and connection still echo through modern life.
As always, the discussion wanders — touching on spirituality, human nature, presence, and how we might reconnect with meaning during a time that’s often anything but peaceful.
This episode is for anyone who:

• Feels Christmas has become a bit… loud
• Is curious about ancient or shamanic perspectives
• Enjoys reflective conversation without preaching
• Or simply wants a slower, more thoughtful take on the season

Pour a drink, take a breath, and join Nat and Mat for a relaxed, end-of-year conversation about Christmas, consciousness, and what might still be worth keeping from the old ways.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/69188625Wed, 24 Dec 2025 01:17:35 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this special Christmas episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation drifts into shamanic ideas, ancient ritual, and what Christmas may have once represented beyond the modern rush, noise, and consumerism. Nat and Mat explore themes of...Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation drifts into shamanic ideas, ancient ritual, and what Christmas may have once represented beyond the modern rush, noise, and consumerism.
Nat and Mat explore themes of symbolism, tradition, altered states, community, and the quieter inner meaning of seasonal rituals — while keeping things grounded, curious, and lightly humorous. It’s not about belief systems or dogma, but about noticing how ancient ways of marking time, reflection, and connection still echo through modern life.
As always, the discussion wanders — touching on spirituality, human nature, presence, and how we might reconnect with meaning during a time that’s often anything but peaceful.
This episode is for anyone who:

• Feels Christmas has become a bit… loud
• Is curious about ancient or shamanic perspectives
• Enjoys reflective conversation without preaching
• Or simply wants a slower, more thoughtful take on the season

Pour a drink, take a breath, and join Nat and Mat for a relaxed, end-of-year conversation about Christmas, consciousness, and what might still be worth keeping from the old ways.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>2792alternative,ancient,and,christmas,consciousness,conversation,grounded,mindfulness,modern,podcast,reflection,ritual,rituals,seasonal,shamanic,solstice,spiritual,spirituality,tradition,winterfalse112fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/peace-presence-the-problem-with-trying-too-hard-nat-mat--69068015Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation turns toward peace — what it is, why we want it so badly, and why chasing it can sometimes push it further away.
Nat and Mat explore ideas around presence, letting go, inner stillness, emotional resistance, and the strange human habit of over-complicating what might actually be very simple. Along the way, they reflect on everyday life, personal experiences, and the subtle difference between seeking peace and allowing it.
As always, the discussion moves freely between the philosophical and the practical, with moments of humour, honesty, and gentle insight.
This episode is for anyone who’s:

• Tired of striving
• Curious about presence and awareness
• Interested in inner peace without dogma
• Or just enjoys thoughtful conversation that doesn’t pretend to have all the answers

Settle in, breathe out, and join Nat and Mat for a grounded, meandering conversation about peace — and what might already be closer than we think.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/69068015Tue, 16 Dec 2025 02:34:09 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation turns toward peace — what it is, why we want it so badly, and why chasing it can sometimes push it further away. Nat and Mat explore ideas around presence, letting go, inner stillness,...Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation turns toward peace — what it is, why we want it so badly, and why chasing it can sometimes push it further away.
Nat and Mat explore ideas around presence, letting go, inner stillness, emotional resistance, and the strange human habit of over-complicating what might actually be very simple. Along the way, they reflect on everyday life, personal experiences, and the subtle difference between seeking peace and allowing it.
As always, the discussion moves freely between the philosophical and the practical, with moments of humour, honesty, and gentle insight.
This episode is for anyone who’s:

• Tired of striving
• Curious about presence and awareness
• Interested in inner peace without dogma
• Or just enjoys thoughtful conversation that doesn’t pretend to have all the answers

Settle in, breathe out, and join Nat and Mat for a grounded, meandering conversation about peace — and what might already be closer than we think.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>3536awareness,consciousness,conversation,go,in,inner,letting,living,mental,mindfulness,now,peace,philosophy,podcast,presence,reflective,self,spiritual,the,wellbeingfalse111fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/ancient-civilisations-alien-theories-tutankhamun-s-secret-life-nat-mat-go-deep-ish--68969603In this episode, Nat and Mat fall headfirst into the mysteries of ancient civilisations — from the secrets of the Egyptian pyramids to the curious case of Tutankhamun, and whether human consciousness was once far more advanced than it is today.
Along the way they detour (as always) into alien technology, reincarnation theories, unusual bird behaviour, consciousness experiments, and why modern humans may not actually be the smartest versions of ourselves.
It’s a blend of history, speculation, humour, and the kind of philosophical spirals that only Nat and Mat can produce.
If you love:

• Ancient Egypt
• Alien theories
• Consciousness chats
• Mystical rabbit holes
• Or just two people laughing their way through big questions

…this episode is absolutely your vibe.
Grab a cuppa, settle in, and join us as we try to answer the biggest questions in history — and accidentally create a few more.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68969603Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:34:38 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode, Nat and Mat fall headfirst into the mysteries of ancient civilisations — from the secrets of the Egyptian pyramids to the curious case of Tutankhamun, and whether human consciousness was once far more advanced than it is today. Along...In this episode, Nat and Mat fall headfirst into the mysteries of ancient civilisations — from the secrets of the Egyptian pyramids to the curious case of Tutankhamun, and whether human consciousness was once far more advanced than it is today.
Along the way they detour (as always) into alien technology, reincarnation theories, unusual bird behaviour, consciousness experiments, and why modern humans may not actually be the smartest versions of ourselves.
It’s a blend of history, speculation, humour, and the kind of philosophical spirals that only Nat and Mat can produce.
If you love:

• Ancient Egypt
• Alien theories
• Consciousness chats
• Mystical rabbit holes
• Or just two people laughing their way through big questions

…this episode is absolutely your vibe.
Grab a cuppa, settle in, and join us as we try to answer the biggest questions in history — and accidentally create a few more.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>4819alien,aliens,ancient,and,civilisations,consciousness,egypt,egyptian,history,knowledge,lost,mat,mysteries,nat,podcast,pyramids,technology,theory,tutankhamun,ufofalse110fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/scatter-gun-disclosure-ufo-secrets-hidden-agendas-making-music-in-the-unknown--68841335The Nat & Mat Podcast, we dive head-first into a scatter-gun flow of ideas — from UFOs and government disclosure to the strange patterns behind secrecy, belief, and why the world might not be ready for the truth.
Nat and Mat unpack the deeper questions behind extraterrestrial sightings, hidden tech, human psychology, and the subtle ways society reacts to the unknown. Mixed in with the cosmic conversation, we explore creativity, music-making, and the personal philosophies that shape how we see reality.
It’s curious, playful, grounded, and just the right amount of mysterious — a classic Nat & Mat ride.
If you love open-minded conversations that wander from the everyday to the extraordinary, you’ll feel right at home.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68841335Wed, 03 Dec 2025 01:05:20 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this episode of The Nat & Mat Podcast, we dive head-first into a scatter-gun flow of ideas — from UFOs and government disclosure to the strange patterns behind secrecy, belief, and why the world might not be ready for the truth. Nat and Mat...The Nat & Mat Podcast, we dive head-first into a scatter-gun flow of ideas — from UFOs and government disclosure to the strange patterns behind secrecy, belief, and why the world might not be ready for the truth.
Nat and Mat unpack the deeper questions behind extraterrestrial sightings, hidden tech, human psychology, and the subtle ways society reacts to the unknown. Mixed in with the cosmic conversation, we explore creativity, music-making, and the personal philosophies that shape how we see reality.
It’s curious, playful, grounded, and just the right amount of mysterious — a classic Nat & Mat ride.
If you love open-minded conversations that wander from the everyday to the extraordinary, you’ll feel right at home.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>46592025,alien,and,conversations,disclosure,extraterrestrial,government,hidden,life,mat,minded,nat,open,phenomenon,podcast,secrets,sightings,technology,uap,ufofalse19fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/scatter-gun-the-new-drum-kit-hunting-inspiration-in-the-chaos--68732919“Scatter Gun” — a song shaped by messy ideas, sudden inspiration, and a brand-new drum kit that completely changed the vibe of the studio.
Nat and Mat unpack the creative process behind the song, the way ideas sometimes shoot off in every direction, and how embracing chaos can actually lead to clarity. We talk workflow, instincts, overthinking, underthinking, and all the beautifully human stuff that happens before the music finally clicks into place.
If you love hearing the real behind-the-scenes of independent music making — raw conversations, unexpected tangents, and genuine creative discovery — this episode is for you.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68732919Tue, 25 Nov 2025 02:40:38 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonIn this week’s Nat & Mat Session, we dive into the origins of our new track “Scatter Gun” — a song shaped by messy ideas, sudden inspiration, and a brand-new drum kit that completely changed the vibe of the studio. Nat and Mat unpack the creative...“Scatter Gun” — a song shaped by messy ideas, sudden inspiration, and a brand-new drum kit that completely changed the vibe of the studio.
Nat and Mat unpack the creative process behind the song, the way ideas sometimes shoot off in every direction, and how embracing chaos can actually lead to clarity. We talk workflow, instincts, overthinking, underthinking, and all the beautifully human stuff that happens before the music finally clicks into place.
If you love hearing the real behind-the-scenes of independent music making — raw conversations, unexpected tangents, and genuine creative discovery — this episode is for you.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>4401alternative,and,behind,creative,drum,gun,indie,kit,mat,music,nat,new,process,production,scatter,scenes,songwriting,studio,talk,thefalse18fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/scatter-gun-aliens-inside-bob-lazar-hidden-tech-human-morals--68649440Nat & Mat Podcast, we take a deep dive into one of the most intriguing stories in modern UFO lore — the wild, controversial, endlessly-debated world of Bob Lazar. From claims of reverse-engineered alien craft to moral dilemmas, strange surveillance, shadowy agencies, and the cost of speaking out, we unpack what makes his story so enduring… and so unsettling.
Between talk of UAPs and suppressed technology, we also head back into the studio to work on our new track “Scatter Gun.” As always, the conversation wanders through creativity, curiosity, ethics, and the strange mystery of being human in a universe that’s probably more crowded than we think.
If you love music, mayhem, and mysteries of the universe — this one’s for you.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68649440Thu, 20 Nov 2025 04:07:38 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonOn this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, we take a deep dive into one of the most intriguing stories in modern UFO lore — the wild, controversial, endlessly-debated world of Bob Lazar. From claims of reverse-engineered alien craft to moral...Nat & Mat Podcast, we take a deep dive into one of the most intriguing stories in modern UFO lore — the wild, controversial, endlessly-debated world of Bob Lazar. From claims of reverse-engineered alien craft to moral dilemmas, strange surveillance, shadowy agencies, and the cost of speaking out, we unpack what makes his story so enduring… and so unsettling.
Between talk of UAPs and suppressed technology, we also head back into the studio to work on our new track “Scatter Gun.” As always, the conversation wanders through creativity, curiosity, ethics, and the strange mystery of being human in a universe that’s probably more crowded than we think.
If you love music, mayhem, and mysteries of the universe — this one’s for you.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>4168alien,and,back,behind,bob,conspiracy,engineering,extraterrestrials,gun,lazar,mat,nat,scatter,scenes,songwriting,technology,the,theories,uaps,ufosfalse17fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/is-ai-killing-creativity-and-behind-the-vocals-of-shy--68546284Can AI actually make meaningful art, or just really convincing copies?
Along the way, we take you behind the scenes of recording vocals for our upcoming track “Shy”, sharing insights about the creative process, performance pressure, and what it means to make something honest in a world full of shortcuts.
If you’ve ever wondered where human creativity fits into the future — or you just want to hear what goes into tracking vocals for an indie record — this episode is for you.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68546284Thu, 13 Nov 2025 00:55:14 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonThis week on the Nat & Mat Podcast, we dive deep into the messy, fascinating world of AI-generated art — and why so many artists feel it’s missing something real. We explore the moral dilemmas, creative frustrations, and the big question...Can AI actually make meaningful art, or just really convincing copies?
Along the way, we take you behind the scenes of recording vocals for our upcoming track “Shy”, sharing insights about the creative process, performance pressure, and what it means to make something honest in a world full of shortcuts.
If you’ve ever wondered where human creativity fits into the future — or you just want to hear what goes into tracking vocals for an indie record — this episode is for you.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>4769ai,art,artificial,behind,creative,creativity,debate,dilemmas,indie,intelligence,moral,music,nat,process,production,recording,scenes,songwriting,the,vocalfalse16fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recording-shy-cold-showers-and-facing-fears--68440488Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon dive back into the studio to keep working on their song “Shy.”
What starts as a day of recording vocal harmonies quickly turns into a classic Nat and Mat mixed bag — a free-flowing chat about cold showers, working with kids, playing games, being vegetarian, diets, dealing with the outside world, and that familiar inner critic we all wrestle with — self-judgement.
It’s another unedited, open-ended journey through sound, humour, and honest reflection — the kind of conversation that reminds you why it’s okay to just be human.
🎧 Listen to the episode: 👉 https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-nat-mat-sessions–6760133
🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw



Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68440488Thu, 06 Nov 2025 01:14:20 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonThis week on the Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon dive back into the studio to keep working on their song “Shy.” What starts as a day of recording vocal harmonies quickly turns into a classic Nat and Mat mixed bag...Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon dive back into the studio to keep working on their song “Shy.”
What starts as a day of recording vocal harmonies quickly turns into a classic Nat and Mat mixed bag — a free-flowing chat about cold showers, working with kids, playing games, being vegetarian, diets, dealing with the outside world, and that familiar inner critic we all wrestle with — self-judgement.
It’s another unedited, open-ended journey through sound, humour, and honest reflection — the kind of conversation that reminds you why it’s okay to just be human.
🎧 Listen to the episode: 👉 https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-nat-mat-sessions–6760133
🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw



Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>7186australianpodcast,behindthemusic,coldshowers,creativeprocess,irisbelhaze,matcreedon,musicandmindset,natandmatpodcast,recordingshy,selfjudgement,studiolife,thenatandmatsessions,vegetarianlife,vocalharmoniesfalse15fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/shy-the-masks-we-wear--68347650Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon return to the studio to keep shaping their new song “Shy.”
Between takes, the conversation drifts into one of those late-night tangents that only seem to happen when the mic’s still hot — a mixed bag of reflections on social perception, identity, and the strange pressure to present the “perfect” version of ourselves to the world.
How do we prove to others who we really are? And can we ever be truly seen, knowing that no matter what we say or do, someone out there will still misinterpret it?
It’s another raw, unedited window into art, honesty, and human nature — where the music and the moment blur into one.
🎧 Listen to the episode: 👉 https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-nat-mat-sessions–6760133
🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68347650Thu, 30 Oct 2025 10:12:34 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonThis week on the Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon return to the studio to keep shaping their new song “Shy.” Between takes, the conversation drifts into one of those late-night tangents that only seem to happen...Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon return to the studio to keep shaping their new song “Shy.”
Between takes, the conversation drifts into one of those late-night tangents that only seem to happen when the mic’s still hot — a mixed bag of reflections on social perception, identity, and the strange pressure to present the “perfect” version of ourselves to the world.
How do we prove to others who we really are? And can we ever be truly seen, knowing that no matter what we say or do, someone out there will still misinterpret it?
It’s another raw, unedited window into art, honesty, and human nature — where the music and the moment blur into one.
🎧 Listen to the episode: 👉 https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-nat-mat-sessions–6760133
🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>7186and,australian,behind,belhaze,creative,creedon,identity,iris,mat,music,nat,podcast,process,production,recording,self,sessions,shy,songwriting,thefalse14fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/recording-shy-beyond-good-and-evil--68222335Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon dive deep into the creative and the cosmic while recording their new track “Shy.”
As the microphones roll, the conversation drifts beyond melody and lyrics — into a raw exploration of morality, duality, and what lies beyond the idea of good and evil. Can we exist in the grey? Can art be a bridge between darkness and light?
It’s an unedited, intimate session where philosophy meets sound, and music becomes a mirror for consciousness itself.
🎧 Listen to the episode: 👉 https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-nat-mat-sessions–6760133
🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw
#NatAndMatPodcast #TheNatAndMatSessions #IrisBelhaze #MatCreedon #Shy #BeyondGoodAndEvil #StudioLife #ExistentialSpiral #BehindTheMusic #AustralianPodcast #PhilosophyAndArt

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68222335Tue, 21 Oct 2025 04:53:25 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonThis week on the Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon dive deep into the creative and the cosmic while recording their new track “Shy.” As the microphones roll, the conversation drifts beyond melody and lyrics — into...Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon dive deep into the creative and the cosmic while recording their new track “Shy.”
As the microphones roll, the conversation drifts beyond melody and lyrics — into a raw exploration of morality, duality, and what lies beyond the idea of good and evil. Can we exist in the grey? Can art be a bridge between darkness and light?
It’s an unedited, intimate session where philosophy meets sound, and music becomes a mirror for consciousness itself.
🎧 Listen to the episode: 👉 https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-nat-mat-sessions–6760133
🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw
#NatAndMatPodcast #TheNatAndMatSessions #IrisBelhaze #MatCreedon #Shy #BeyondGoodAndEvil #StudioLife #ExistentialSpiral #BehindTheMusic #AustralianPodcast #PhilosophyAndArt

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>6770and,art,australian,behind,belhaze,creative,creedon,iris,mat,music,nat,philosophy,podcast,process,production,recording,sessions,shy,songwriting,thefalse13fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/shy-growing-asparagus-and-other-slow-miracles--68130123Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon head back into the studio to record their latest track “Shy.”
Somewhere between takes, the conversation drifts — from lyrics and microphones to the delicate art of growing asparagus (and why it’s basically a metaphor for creativity, patience, and life itself). 🌱
It’s another unfiltered, real-time session filled with laughter, insight, and unexpected wisdom — where making music becomes a meditation on how we grow, create, and stay true to ourselves. 

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q

🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68130123Tue, 14 Oct 2025 10:04:32 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew CreedonThis week on the Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon head back into the studio to record their latest track “Shy.” Somewhere between takes, the conversation drifts — from lyrics and microphones to the delicate art...Nat & Mat Podcast, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and Mat Creedon head back into the studio to record their latest track “Shy.”
Somewhere between takes, the conversation drifts — from lyrics and microphones to the delicate art of growing asparagus (and why it’s basically a metaphor for creativity, patience, and life itself). 🌱
It’s another unfiltered, real-time session filled with laughter, insight, and unexpected wisdom — where making music becomes a meditation on how we grow, create, and stay true to ourselves. 

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q

🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>7508and,australian,behind,belhaze,collaboration,creative,creedon,iris,mat,music,nat,podcast,process,production,session,sessions,shy,songwriting,studio,thefalse12fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/marianne-faithfull-the-existential-spiral--68055026Marianne Faithfull: The Existential Spiral In this unedited studio session, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and producer Mat Creedon finish recording “Marianne Faithfull” while spiralling into an existential chat about art, truth, and being human. Raw, funny, and unexpectedly enlightening — this is the sound of music and meaning colliding in real time.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68055026Wed, 08 Oct 2025 00:40:21 +0000Natalie Zannoni and Mathew Creedon🎙️ Marianne Faithfull: The Existential Spiral In this unedited studio session, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and producer Mat Creedon finish recording “Marianne Faithfull” while spiralling into an existential chat about art, truth, and being human....Marianne Faithfull: The Existential Spiral In this unedited studio session, Natalie Zannoni (Iris Belhaze) and producer Mat Creedon finish recording “Marianne Faithfull” while spiralling into an existential chat about art, truth, and being human. Raw, funny, and unexpectedly enlightening — this is the sound of music and meaning colliding in real time.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.]]>5378and,behind,belhaze,creedon,crisis,existential,faithfull,iris,marianne,mat,music,nat,natalie,podcast,production,songwriting,studio,the,unedited,zannonifalse11full