https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/just-say-no-to-the-dso--5937897Questions you’d like addressed live in future episodes can be sent to: questions@justsaynotothedso.com

Let's start the discussion on how to save the future of the Dental Industry.]]>enMedicineCopyright The Pod Millhttps://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f23d1bc52233b152b941c8fb68fc3548.jpghttps://www.spreaker.com/podcast/just-say-no-to-the-dso--5937897Fri, 03 Jul 2026 23:46:37 +0000The Pod MillThe Pod Millspencer@mxpcommunications.comDentistry is experiencing an attack by well-funded corporations who want to own the work of each dentist’s hands. While the promises of wealth and ease DSO’s present to owner-dentists appear enticing, experience shows the reality is very different....Questions you’d like addressed live in future episodes can be sent to: questions@justsaynotothedso.com

Let's start the discussion on how to save the future of the Dental Industry.]]>falseepisodichttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/tumbling-down-in-a-pile-of-lawsuits-with-dr-mike-davis--72812095https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72812095Mon, 06 Jul 2026 10:35:01 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode, Dr. Michael Davis discusses the pitfalls of DSO affiliations, legal settlements, and the importance of ethical practice in dentistry. He highlights recent cases like Aspen Dental's legal issues and offers advice for dentists...1466falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/did-we-mention-a-house-of-cards-with-dr-mike-davis--72812092https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72812092Fri, 03 Jul 2026 23:30:27 +0000The Pod MillThis episode features Dr. Mike Davis discussing the complex financial restructuring of major DSOs like Dental Care Alliance and Affordable Care, revealing the risks for dentists and the industry. We explore the implications of private equity...3075falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-listener-case-study-on-selling-your-practice--72588572https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72588572Thu, 18 Jun 2026 20:46:14 +0000The Pod MillAs a dental professional, you may wonder about the implications of selling your practice to a DSO versus a private buyer. In this episode it's case study time as we delve into crucial insights on this topic, including tax considerations, the time...1923falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/it-all-starts-right-here-with-dr-brendan-gallagher--72332607https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72332607Wed, 03 Jun 2026 22:51:13 +0000The Pod MillWe've looked at serveral dentists deep into their careers and gone over how a DSO doesn't really make sense...what about the doctor with all of the promise in the world on the very front of his career...does a DSO make sense there? In this episode,...3774falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/now-the-dso-will-make-your-equity-disappear--71978038https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71978038Tue, 12 May 2026 15:59:39 +0000The Pod MillThis episode exposes the realities behind DSO equity and why selling to a DSO often results in less financial benefit than expected. There is a magic trick all DSOs are trying to pull...the magically disappearing equity. Nate and Bob dissect the...1533falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/sometimes-it-pays-to-listen-to-your-better-half-with-dr-mike-crockett-part-2--71819869https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71819869Fri, 01 May 2026 20:04:46 +0000The Pod MillStarting a dental practice can be daunting, but with the right insights and support, it can also be incredibly rewarding. Mike and Christy Crockett, who have navigated the complex world of dentistry together, share their journey—from Mike’s schooling...2647falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/sometimes-it-pays-to-listen-to-your-better-half-with-dr-mike-crockett-part-1--71819868https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71819868Fri, 01 May 2026 20:02:55 +0000The Pod MillStarting a dental practice can be daunting, but with the right insights and support, it can also be incredibly rewarding. Mike and Christy Crockett, who have navigated the complex world of dentistry together, share their journey—from Mike’s schooling...2709falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/unmasking-the-dso-deal-what-every-dentist-must-know--71460547https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71460547Sun, 19 Apr 2026 14:56:29 +0000The Pod MillThis episode exposes the hidden truths behind DSO deals in dentistry, revealing how dentists are often financially fleeced through complex deal structures. Bob and Nate bring you their expert analysis to break down the mechanics of these deals,...2160falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-smooth-voice-from-the-south-with-dr-travis-nixon--71322008https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71322008Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:42:04 +0000The Pod MillIn this in-depth interview, a blue blooded Tar Heel, Dr. Travis Nixon shares his insights on the rise of DSOs, legislative challenges, and how dentists can protect their profession through education and advocacy. Not only does Dr Nixon have great...3372falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/who-works-for-who-6-dso-tricks-most-dentists-don-t-see--70931192https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70931192Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:18:25 +0000The Pod MillThis episode explores the six fundamental principles that reveal why DSO deals are detrimental to dental practitioners. Hosts Bob and Nate dissect the realities of private equity models, emphasizing the importance of maintaining control, understanding...1548falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/sage-wisdom-is-hard-to-come-by-these-days-with-dr-michael-w-davis--70875167In this episode, Dr. Michael W. Davis shares critical insights into the private equity influence on dentistry, the risks of DSOs, and how dentists can protect their practices and patients. A must-listen for dental professionals concerned about industry integrity and patient care.

]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70875167Wed, 25 Mar 2026 16:51:26 +0000The Pod Mill summary In this episode, Dr. Michael W. Davis shares critical insights into the private equity influence on dentistry, the risks of DSOs, and how dentists can protect their practices and patients. A must-listen for dental professionals concerned...In this episode, Dr. Michael W. Davis shares critical insights into the private equity influence on dentistry, the risks of DSOs, and how dentists can protect their practices and patients. A must-listen for dental professionals concerned about industry integrity and patient care.

]]>4244falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/away-game-with-the-orthodontic-pearls-podcast-and-nate-williams--70676696https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70676696Tue, 17 Mar 2026 15:07:11 +0000The Pod MillNate sits down with the Orthodontic Pearls podcast in order to give his take on owning your own practice and why to stay away from selling out to PE and DSO groups. It's a full panel lineup with Drs. Chris Teeters, Andy Sarpotdar, and Brian Anderson.5278falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/the-emperor-has-no-clothes--70611861]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70611861Thu, 12 Mar 2026 18:29:02 +0000The Pod MillThis episode features a candid discussion on the realities of DSOs in dentistry, highlighting industry failures, ethical concerns, and the importance of dentists making informed decisions about their practices. Hosts Bob Nate share insights, stories,...]]>2016falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/right-up-to-the-edge-and-back-with-dr-joe-feller--70363219]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70363219Sat, 28 Feb 2026 18:10:55 +0000The Pod MillIn this conversation, Nate and Dr. Joe Feller discuss the complexities and challenges faced by orthodontists when considering selling their practices to DSOs. Dr. Feller shares his personal journey in orthodontics, his experiences with DSOs, and the...]]>4752falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/when-your-reputation-precedes-you-with-jonathan-martin--70125120]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70125120Wed, 18 Feb 2026 02:19:47 +0000The Pod MillIn a conversation between two of the most soothing voices on the internet, Bob Spiel interviews Jonathan Martin, a CPA with extensive experience in dental transitions. They discuss the complexities of selling dental practices, the myths surrounding...]]>2644falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-conversation-with-the-dental-banker-bob-affleck--69821996]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/69821996Thu, 05 Feb 2026 21:52:18 +0000The Pod MillIn this conversation, Bob Affleck shares his extensive experience in the dental industry, discussing the implications of selling dental practices to DSOs. He highlights the challenges and regrets many dentists face after selling, particularly...]]>3969falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/right-up-to-the-edge-and-back-with-dr-blake-maxfield--69431232https://api.spreaker.com/episode/69431232Wed, 14 Jan 2026 05:11:57 +0000The Pod MillNate sits down with Dr. Blake Maxfield on this amazing interview with a practicing doctor who went through the entire courting and recruitment process where he almost signed the dotted line for a DSO to purchase his practice. At the last minute,...3919falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/the-great-disappearing-trick-dso-equity--69346553]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/69346553Wed, 07 Jan 2026 23:26:47 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode, hosts Bob and Nate delve into the myths surrounding DSOs, particularly focusing on the allure of DSO equity. They discuss the reality of ownership structures, the dilution of shares, and the potential pitfalls of believing in inflated...]]>1371falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/when-are-you-the-partner-or-the-one-being-taken-advantage-of-with-dr-maksim-montatskiy--68949325
]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68949325Wed, 10 Dec 2025 17:14:08 +0000The Pod MillIn this conversation, Dr. Maksim Montatskiy sits down with Bob and Nate to discuss the complexities of partnerships, particularly focusing on the value and decision-making dynamics involved. He expresses concerns about the nature of partnerships where...
]]>2417falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/too-big-to-sell-myth-vs-reality--68576920]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68576920Sat, 15 Nov 2025 03:12:56 +0000The Pod MillThe conversation explores the myth surrounding the belief that dental practices are too large to sell to private buyers. It delves into the origins of this misconception and its impact on the dental community, emphasizing that size should not deter...]]>1555falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/practice-transition-advice-with-dan-and-aaron-lewis--68351380https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68351380Thu, 30 Oct 2025 16:15:14 +0000The Pod MillIn this conversation, Nate speaks with Dan and Aaron Lewis about the complexities of dental practice transitions, particularly focusing on the implications of selling to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). They discuss the emotional aspects of...4407falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-very-important-math-lesson--68181152
]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68181152Fri, 17 Oct 2025 16:40:10 +0000The Pod MillBob and Nate are back to discuss the common misconception that DSOs pay more for dental practices than private buyers and they are bringing receipts. They delve into the concept of EBITDA, explaining its significance in practice valuation and how it...
]]>1681falsefullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-4-episode-6-listener-question-practice-transition-walkthrough--67665403https://api.spreaker.com/episode/67665403Sun, 07 Sep 2025 18:43:31 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode of 'Just Say No to the DSO', hosts Bob and Nate discuss the complexities of transitioning dental practices, particularly for those with multiple locations. They address listener questions about ownership options, financing, and the...1314false46fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-4-episode-5-the-art-of-transitioning-your-dental-practice--67455150https://api.spreaker.com/episode/67455150Mon, 25 Aug 2025 15:24:30 +0000The Pod MillBob and Nate discuss the complexities of transitioning a dental practice without selling to a DSO. They explore the concept of a walk away sale, addressing common uncertainties and fears among practice owners. The conversation also debunks prevalent...1342false45fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-4-episode-4-embracing-uncertainty-the-reality-of-dental-practice-transitions--67383365https://api.spreaker.com/episode/67383365Sat, 16 Aug 2025 00:03:44 +0000The Pod MillIn this conversation, Bob and Nate discuss the complexities of transitioning a dental practice, particularly focusing on the implications of selling to a DSO versus bringing on an associate. They explore the emotional and financial uncertainties that...2063false45fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/special-episode-you-are-the-brand-with-steven-j-anderson--67305692https://api.spreaker.com/episode/67305692Fri, 08 Aug 2025 18:51:20 +0000The Pod MillIn this conversation, Bob Spiel and Steven J Anderson delve into the evolving landscape of dentistry, particularly focusing on the impact of Dental Service Organizations (DSOs) on the profession. They discuss the importance of grounding oneself in key...3216false44fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-4-episode-3-the-risks-of-selling-your-practice--67226675https://api.spreaker.com/episode/67226675Sat, 02 Aug 2025 06:26:25 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode, Bob and Nate discuss the evolving landscape of dental service organizations (DSOs) and the implications for private practice owners. They explore the risks associated with selling to DSOs, the changing nature of DSO offers, and the...1416false43fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-4-episode-2-the-dso-dilemma-a-cautionary-tale--67059032]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/67059032Mon, 21 Jul 2025 18:55:03 +0000The Pod MillBob and Nate continue discussing the implications of selling dental practices to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). They argue that selling to a DSO can lead to financial loss and loss of control for dentists. The conversation highlights the hype...]]>1732false42fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-4-episode-1-navigating-the-dental-landscape-ownership-vs-dso--66999460https://api.spreaker.com/episode/66999460Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:27:29 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode of 'Just Say No to the DSO', hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams discuss the implications of the DSO movement in dentistry. They emphasize the importance of private practice ownership, the challenges faced by dental practice owners, and...1783false41fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-16-away-interview-with-gary-bird--66807979

For those not familiar, Gary Bird is the founding owner of SMC National, the dental industry’s top-rated marketing partner chosen by more than 60,000 dental professionals. A recognized thought leader, Gary hosts the popular shows Dental Marketing Theory and Dental Marketing Goat, where he shares evidence-based strategies that help practices grow revenue, attract high-value patients, and build winning teams. Under his leadership, SMC delivers performance-focused marketing (no restrictive long-term contracts) and data-driven growth maps that turn chaos into predictable results.

Want to learn more about SMC?  https://bit.ly/4kkRubd

]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/66807979Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:16:03 +0000The Pod MillNate ventures out into the wilderness and is guest with Gary Bird for today's episode. This is a collabortive project and highlights the great being done to further the conversation around dentistry and it's future.  For those not familiar, Gary...

For those not familiar, Gary Bird is the founding owner of SMC National, the dental industry’s top-rated marketing partner chosen by more than 60,000 dental professionals. A recognized thought leader, Gary hosts the popular shows Dental Marketing Theory and Dental Marketing Goat, where he shares evidence-based strategies that help practices grow revenue, attract high-value patients, and build winning teams. Under his leadership, SMC delivers performance-focused marketing (no restrictive long-term contracts) and data-driven growth maps that turn chaos into predictable results.

Want to learn more about SMC?  https://bit.ly/4kkRubd

]]>5533false316fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-15-dr-lou-berman-interview--66659965https://api.spreaker.com/episode/66659965Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:22:55 +0000The Pod MillIn this inspiring conversation, Bob and Dr. Lou Berman delve into the complexities of the DSO landscape, particularly within the field of endodontics. They discuss the financial implications of joining a DSO, the role of key opinion leaders in shaping...2602false315fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-14-dr-mila-and-daniel-cohen-interview--66581328https://api.spreaker.com/episode/66581328Mon, 16 Jun 2025 17:49:02 +0000The Pod MillIn this conversation, Bob hosts Daniel and Mila Cohen, who share their journey of building a successful independent dental practice. They discuss the challenges and rewards of partnership, the importance of defining roles, and the strategies they...2474false314fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-13-dr-jill-tanzi-and-dr-kristine-grazioso-interview--66284558https://api.spreaker.com/episode/66284558Mon, 26 May 2025 17:44:19 +0000The Pod MillWe are in for a double treat today as Bob interviews two incredible dentists, Dr Jill Tanzi and Dr Kristine Grazioso. Not only are we staying on the east coast for this episode, both of these amazing practitioners are passionate about dentistry and...2164false313fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-12-dr-eric-block-interview--66079596https://api.spreaker.com/episode/66079596Wed, 14 May 2025 03:09:42 +0000The Pod MillBob is back and rolling with another great guest. We are headed to the east coast, just outside of Boston with Dr Eric Block. Dr. Block is a member of the American Dental Association, the Massachusetts Dental Society, and the American Academy of...1528false312fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-11-dr-robert-m-mcnamara-interview--65653036https://api.spreaker.com/episode/65653036Mon, 21 Apr 2025 21:47:47 +0000The Pod MillThe hits continue at Just Say No, Bob interviews esteemed MD Dr. Robert McNamara who is a professor and Chair of Emergency Medicine at the Lewis Katz School of Medicine at Temple University to go over the eerie similarities between the corporate...3211false311fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-10-jason-wood-is-back-part-2--65377141https://api.spreaker.com/episode/65377141Sun, 06 Apr 2025 06:05:13 +0000The Pod MillSuper star guest Jason Wood hops back in the ring with Nate in order to clean up some lingering questions and try to address some long standing fallicies from a previous, high profile interview. He brings the info with receipts every time he visit's...2875false311fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-10-jason-wood-is-back-part-1--65377139https://api.spreaker.com/episode/65377139Sun, 06 Apr 2025 06:04:34 +0000The Pod MillSuper star guest Jason Wood hops back in the ring with Nate in order to clean up some lingering questions and try to address some long standing fallicies from a previous, high profile interview. He brings the info with receipts every time he visit's...2704false310fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-9-dr-aaron-swapp-from-swapp-orthodontics-part-2--64928374https://api.spreaker.com/episode/64928374Mon, 17 Mar 2025 05:10:25 +0000The Pod MillHere is part 2 of our great interview with Dr. Aaron Swapp. The conversation gets very dialed in between Nate and Dr Swapp. 3340false39fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-8-dr-aaron-swapp-from-swapp-orthodontics-part-1--64928353https://api.spreaker.com/episode/64928353Mon, 17 Mar 2025 05:10:18 +0000The Pod MillNate is back traveling around the country in order to get the best interviews with the best professionals. We were put in touch with Dr Aaron Swap in order to have a great discussion on if...with a big if...DSOs are ever worth it? As well, how do...3162false38fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-7-scott-haley-from-premier-orthodontics-practices-interview--64752507https://api.spreaker.com/episode/64752507Fri, 07 Mar 2025 18:06:46 +0000The Pod MillFull steam ahead with no going back! The show is picking up incredible momentum thanks to our great listeners. Nate grabs another incredible guest this week in Scott Haley from Premier Orthodontics Practices. Scott has heard about the great work being...4290false37fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-6-john-van-leeuwen-interview--64634960https://api.spreaker.com/episode/64634960Fri, 28 Feb 2025 22:44:51 +0000The Pod MillHow do professionals begin and interact with the dental industry? So many great people from various backgrounds are attracted to this amazing field and we have one of the best today. John Van Leeuwen joins the crew remotely today for an awesome...4319false36fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-5-jason-wood-interview-part-2--64485625https://api.spreaker.com/episode/64485625Fri, 21 Feb 2025 00:28:46 +0000The Pod MillHere the amazing conclusion to the conversation between attorney Jason Wood and Nate as they disect where deals seem to stop making sense. 3648false35fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-4-jason-wood-interview-part-1--64485623https://api.spreaker.com/episode/64485623Fri, 21 Feb 2025 00:27:38 +0000The Pod MillJust Say No to the DSO is coming off of some hot interviews and following up with experts all over the country to go over the details and discerne between fact and fiction. Nate sits down with attorney Jason Wood in order to dive deep into DSO deals....2889false34fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-3-dso-deal-case-study--64421932https://api.spreaker.com/episode/64421932Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:31:01 +0000The Pod MillAfter the Chip interview, Bob and Nate breakdown an actual DSO deal offer in order to get a better idea and understanding at what the tangible numbers look like. We wish we were making this stuff up…but we aren’t.2673false33fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-2-the-response-to-the-chip-fichtner-interview--63753756https://api.spreaker.com/episode/63753756Mon, 20 Jan 2025 22:54:35 +0000The Pod MillAfter our amazing interview with Chip Fichtner, we've let the dust settle a bit and had time to digest as well as think over what was said. Bob and Nate discuss what iDSOs are really offering dentists and how the math cannot compute. 3818false32fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-3-episode-1-interview-with-chip-fichtner--63753755https://api.spreaker.com/episode/63753755Mon, 20 Jan 2025 22:54:13 +0000The Pod MillWe are back for an amazing start to season 3. Bob and Nate sit down with one of the biggest iDSO brokers in the world, Chip Fichtner. This is an amazing interview to showcase what the otherside is thinking and trying to sell.5196false31fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-9-who-is-looking-out-for-you--60698595dentists to critically assess DSO offers and understand the financial biases at play that
drive toward consolidation – while leaving dentists in the dust. Bob and Nate aim to
educate dentists and empower them to make decisions that align with their best
interests and long-term goals. Teasing Season 3, they promise deeper exploration through interviews with dentists who have resisted DSOs or exited them, sharing their experiences and insights. ]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/60698595Mon, 15 Jul 2024 18:25:24 +0000The Pod MillIn this final episode of Season 2, Bob Spiel and Nate Williams emphasize the need for dentists to critically assess DSO offers and understand the financial biases at play that drive toward consolidation – while leaving dentists in the dust. Bob and...dentists to critically assess DSO offers and understand the financial biases at play that
drive toward consolidation – while leaving dentists in the dust. Bob and Nate aim to
educate dentists and empower them to make decisions that align with their best
interests and long-term goals. Teasing Season 3, they promise deeper exploration through interviews with dentists who have resisted DSOs or exited them, sharing their experiences and insights. ]]>1762false29fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-8-a-summary-of-season-2--60618807Season 2 of "Just Say No to the DSO" – foreshadowing the end of Season 2 (although
there will be one more bonus episode #9 coming.) In this episode, they dive deep into
the nitty-gritty of selling dental practices to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs),
offering up wisdom, wit, and a healthy dose of skepticism.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/60618807Sat, 06 Jul 2024 14:48:02 +0000The Pod MillGet ready for a candid and insightful chat as Bob Spiel and Nate Williams summarize Season 2 of "Just Say No to the DSO" – foreshadowing the end of Season 2 (although there will be one more bonus episode #9 coming.) In this episode, they dive deep...Season 2 of "Just Say No to the DSO" – foreshadowing the end of Season 2 (although
there will be one more bonus episode #9 coming.) In this episode, they dive deep into
the nitty-gritty of selling dental practices to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs),
offering up wisdom, wit, and a healthy dose of skepticism.]]>1424false28fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-7-just-say-no-to-dso-analyzing-common-sales-pitches--60389406
]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/60389406Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:22:38 +0000The Pod MillBob and Nate encouraging dentists to reject DSO sales pitches and maintain ownership of their practices for long-term success. Reiterating the importance of staying engaged in their work and understanding that DSOs won't overpay or make practice...
]]>1417false27fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-6-dso-contract-gotcha-s--60214990Nate Williams dive deep into the subject of DSO sale and employment contracts, and
the surprises that dwell inside each.
The discussion underscores how DSO contracts are driven by dollar signs and the
DSO’s need to exert control in the business relationship.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/60214990Wed, 29 May 2024 22:59:50 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode of “Just In this episode of "Just Say No to the DSO," hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams dive deep into the subject of DSO sale and employment contracts, and the surprises that dwell inside each. The discussion underscores how DSO...Nate Williams dive deep into the subject of DSO sale and employment contracts, and
the surprises that dwell inside each.
The discussion underscores how DSO contracts are driven by dollar signs and the
DSO’s need to exert control in the business relationship.]]>1248false26fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-5-the-truth-about-dso-ownership-equity--60055126Nate Williams dive deep into the subject of ownership in a DSO, or what is called
“Equity”. They describe why Equity is a self-made target that allows DSO’s to
dramatically overstate their value, which leads dentists to believe their ownership is
worth much more than it is.

The discussion underscores the lack of transparency among DSO valuations, and why
self-defined Equity is open to abuses. Ultimately, the episode aims to empower dentists
to make informed decisions that safeguard their autonomy and financial well-being.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/60055126Thu, 16 May 2024 04:20:15 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode of Just Say No to the DSO hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams dive deep into the subject of ownership in a DSO, or what is called “Equity”. They describe why Equity is a self-made target that allows DSO’s to dramatically overstate their...Nate Williams dive deep into the subject of ownership in a DSO, or what is called
“Equity”. They describe why Equity is a self-made target that allows DSO’s to
dramatically overstate their value, which leads dentists to believe their ownership is
worth much more than it is.

The discussion underscores the lack of transparency among DSO valuations, and why
self-defined Equity is open to abuses. Ultimately, the episode aims to empower dentists
to make informed decisions that safeguard their autonomy and financial well-being.]]>1970false25fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-4-do-dsos-actually-overpay-part-2--59914029into the deceptive tactics employed by Dental Service Organizations (DSOs) to lure
dentists into unfavorable agreements. Through real-life examples and a critical analysis
of a $29 million DSO offer, they highlight the hidden costs and risks that dentists often
overlook in pursuit of financial gain.

The discussion underscores the importance of diligence and transparency in evaluating
DSO deals, urging dentists to seek independent advice and scrutinize all terms before
relinquishing control of their practices. Ultimately, the episode aims to empower
dentists to make informed decisions that safeguard their autonomy and financial well-
being.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59914029Wed, 08 May 2024 05:30:30 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode of "Just Say No to the DSO" hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams dive deep into the deceptive tactics employed by Dental Service Organizations (DSOs) to lure dentists into unfavorable agreements. Through real-life examples and a critical...into the deceptive tactics employed by Dental Service Organizations (DSOs) to lure
dentists into unfavorable agreements. Through real-life examples and a critical analysis
of a $29 million DSO offer, they highlight the hidden costs and risks that dentists often
overlook in pursuit of financial gain.

The discussion underscores the importance of diligence and transparency in evaluating
DSO deals, urging dentists to seek independent advice and scrutinize all terms before
relinquishing control of their practices. Ultimately, the episode aims to empower
dentists to make informed decisions that safeguard their autonomy and financial well-
being.]]>2286false24fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-3-do-dsos-actually-overpay-for-practices--59662585Spiel and co-host Nate Williams, it discusses reasons why dental practice owners
should avoid selling to Dental Support Organizations (DSOs).

This podcast episode is a warning to dentists who are thinking about taking DSO deals.
The hosts do a deep dive into a $20 million DSO deal and reveal how deceptive these
deals can be. They stress the importance of being critical and skeptical of these deals.
The goal of the podcast is to help dentists make informed decisions about DSO deals
and keep control of their practices.


]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59662585Fri, 26 Apr 2024 05:24:57 +0000The Pod MillThe podcast is episode three of Season 2 for “Just Say No to the DSO." Hosted by Bob Spiel and co-host Nate Williams, it discusses reasons why dental practice owners should avoid selling to Dental Support Organizations (DSOs). This podcast episode is...Spiel and co-host Nate Williams, it discusses reasons why dental practice owners
should avoid selling to Dental Support Organizations (DSOs).

This podcast episode is a warning to dentists who are thinking about taking DSO deals.
The hosts do a deep dive into a $20 million DSO deal and reveal how deceptive these
deals can be. They stress the importance of being critical and skeptical of these deals.
The goal of the podcast is to help dentists make informed decisions about DSO deals
and keep control of their practices.


]]>1498false23fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-2-what-is-ebitda-and-why-do-dso-s-lean-on-it-for-practice-purchases--59482883
They emphasize that smart business people don't overpay for practices and that DSOs are adept at making dentists think they're getting a great deal when, in reality, they may be giving away their practices for little to no value.  

The hosts explain the concept of EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) and how DSOs structure deals in a way that essentially allows them to acquire practices for free or at a minimal cost to themselves.  

They warn dentists to be cautious of promises made by DSOs regarding equity and future earnings, as these promises may not materialize. The episode concludes with a teaser for the next installment, where they will delve deeper into the realities of DSO deals. ]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59482883Tue, 16 Apr 2024 06:05:37 +0000The Pod MillIn this podcast episode of "Just Say No to the DSO," hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams discuss the importance of dentists maintaining control of their practices rather than selling to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs).   They emphasize that smart...
They emphasize that smart business people don't overpay for practices and that DSOs are adept at making dentists think they're getting a great deal when, in reality, they may be giving away their practices for little to no value.  

The hosts explain the concept of EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) and how DSOs structure deals in a way that essentially allows them to acquire practices for free or at a minimal cost to themselves.  

They warn dentists to be cautious of promises made by DSOs regarding equity and future earnings, as these promises may not materialize. The episode concludes with a teaser for the next installment, where they will delve deeper into the realities of DSO deals. ]]>1266false22fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/season-2-episode-1-are-we-still-convinced-to-just-say-no-to-the-dso--59370932co-host Nate Williams, it discusses reasons why dental practice owners should avoid selling to
Dental Support Organizations (DSOs). Bob Spiel has an MBA and is a practice management
consultant, while Nate Williams is a dental CPA. They have both been in dentistry for over 15
years.

Key points discussed: Introduction: Bob and Nate introduce themselves, emphasizing their
experience in dentistry and financial consulting.

Reasons to Avoid DSOs: They discuss three prevailing myths about selling to DSOs:
● Myth 1: Selling to a DSO will make more money.
● Myth 2: Selling to a DSO means earning passive income from others'; work.
● Myth 3: Selling to a DSO will make life easier.

They then dive into:

Reflection on Season 1: Bob and Nate reflect on Season 1's topics, emphasizing the
importance of owning a dental practice for long-term wealth.

Changes in the Industry: They discuss the rapid growth of DSOs and the
challenges they face, such as contract expirations and recruitment difficulties.

Case Study: Bob and Nate share a real-life example of a DSO facing financial
difficulties and restructuring, highlighting the risks associated with selling to DSOs.

Lessons Learned: They draw parallels with the medical industry's shift towards
corporatization and caution against losing control over one's practice and profession.

Preview of Season 2: Bob and Nate outline the topics to be covered in Season 2,
including financial principles, contract analysis, equity considerations, and common
pitfalls.

Conclusion: Just Say No to the DSO! If you have any questions, please send them to
questions@justsaynototheDSO.com

Overall, the episode serves as a warning against the potential pitfalls of selling private dental
practices to DSOs and provides insights to help dentists make informed decisions about their
practices'; future.
]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59370932Tue, 09 Apr 2024 18:37:45 +0000The Pod MillThe podcast is episode one of Season 2 for “Just Say No to the DSO"; Hosted by Bob Spiel and co-host Nate Williams, it discusses reasons why dental practice owners should avoid selling to Dental Support Organizations (DSOs). Bob Spiel has an MBA and...co-host Nate Williams, it discusses reasons why dental practice owners should avoid selling to
Dental Support Organizations (DSOs). Bob Spiel has an MBA and is a practice management
consultant, while Nate Williams is a dental CPA. They have both been in dentistry for over 15
years.

Key points discussed: Introduction: Bob and Nate introduce themselves, emphasizing their
experience in dentistry and financial consulting.

Reasons to Avoid DSOs: They discuss three prevailing myths about selling to DSOs:
● Myth 1: Selling to a DSO will make more money.
● Myth 2: Selling to a DSO means earning passive income from others'; work.
● Myth 3: Selling to a DSO will make life easier.

They then dive into:

Reflection on Season 1: Bob and Nate reflect on Season 1's topics, emphasizing the
importance of owning a dental practice for long-term wealth.

Changes in the Industry: They discuss the rapid growth of DSOs and the
challenges they face, such as contract expirations and recruitment difficulties.

Case Study: Bob and Nate share a real-life example of a DSO facing financial
difficulties and restructuring, highlighting the risks associated with selling to DSOs.

Lessons Learned: They draw parallels with the medical industry's shift towards
corporatization and caution against losing control over one's practice and profession.

Preview of Season 2: Bob and Nate outline the topics to be covered in Season 2,
including financial principles, contract analysis, equity considerations, and common
pitfalls.

Conclusion: Just Say No to the DSO! If you have any questions, please send them to
questions@justsaynototheDSO.com

Overall, the episode serves as a warning against the potential pitfalls of selling private dental
practices to DSOs and provides insights to help dentists make informed decisions about their
practices'; future.
]]>1771false21fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-7-season-1-wrap-up-and-faqs--56792339
Bob and Nate further stress how the role of the dentist in a practice remains paramount. Their intrinsic value lies in the care they provide, and the episode emphasizes the vast growth and development opportunities available within the dentistry field. Throughout their careers, dentists have the unique opportunity to grow significantly in their clinical skills, and also grow in managerial, interpersonal, and leadership capabilities.

The hosts passionately advise dentists to retain ownership of their practices and be cautious of the DSO model's allure. They anticipate potential challenges for DSOs in the future, especially in retaining top-tier talent and managing the associated financial constraints. Concluding the episode, there's a call to challenge the conversation about DSOs in the dental community, placing emphasis on individual dental practices over corporate DSO models.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56792339Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:16:02 +0000The Pod MillConcluding Season 1, the conversation focuses on the complexities and challenges associated with dentists selling to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). Many dentists who engage in these DSO partnerships find themselves literally "paying back" their...
Bob and Nate further stress how the role of the dentist in a practice remains paramount. Their intrinsic value lies in the care they provide, and the episode emphasizes the vast growth and development opportunities available within the dentistry field. Throughout their careers, dentists have the unique opportunity to grow significantly in their clinical skills, and also grow in managerial, interpersonal, and leadership capabilities.

The hosts passionately advise dentists to retain ownership of their practices and be cautious of the DSO model's allure. They anticipate potential challenges for DSOs in the future, especially in retaining top-tier talent and managing the associated financial constraints. Concluding the episode, there's a call to challenge the conversation about DSOs in the dental community, placing emphasis on individual dental practices over corporate DSO models.]]>3159false17fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-6-the-dso-gold-rush-all-that-glitters--56792338
The allure of equity is another theme, with many doctors being tempted to sell their practices for a sizable upfront sum that promises future financial freedom. However, the hosts argue that genuine freedom derives from maintaining autonomy over one's practice and life decisions. Selling leads to a loss of both control and freedom, putting the doctor in a restrictive employee position.

The episode touches upon the "fear of missing out" (FOMO) phenomenon. As doctors see their peers, especially successful ones, selling their practices, they feel mounting pressure to follow suit, fearing they might miss out on lucrative opportunities. Yet, the hosts draw an analogy to the gold rush, suggesting that in this dental "gold rush", like the gold rushes of old, it isn't the dentists who are profiting the most, but those brokering the deals.

Furthermore, the hosts bring to light the non-disparagement agreements doctors sign when joining Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). These agreements legally bind doctors, preventing them from sharing any negative experiences, which might explain the dearth of negative testimonials about DSOs.

Concluding, the episode emphasizes that while stories of regret about joining DSOs might be scarce due to various reasons, there are numerous tales of dentists who have stayed independent and found substantial financial and personal success.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56792338Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:14:13 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode, the hosts discuss the nuances and complexities of joining Dental Service Organizations (DSO’s), particularly highlighting the illusion they create of community and unity. Although these groups promote the idea of collective strength,...
The allure of equity is another theme, with many doctors being tempted to sell their practices for a sizable upfront sum that promises future financial freedom. However, the hosts argue that genuine freedom derives from maintaining autonomy over one's practice and life decisions. Selling leads to a loss of both control and freedom, putting the doctor in a restrictive employee position.

The episode touches upon the "fear of missing out" (FOMO) phenomenon. As doctors see their peers, especially successful ones, selling their practices, they feel mounting pressure to follow suit, fearing they might miss out on lucrative opportunities. Yet, the hosts draw an analogy to the gold rush, suggesting that in this dental "gold rush", like the gold rushes of old, it isn't the dentists who are profiting the most, but those brokering the deals.

Furthermore, the hosts bring to light the non-disparagement agreements doctors sign when joining Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). These agreements legally bind doctors, preventing them from sharing any negative experiences, which might explain the dearth of negative testimonials about DSOs.

Concluding, the episode emphasizes that while stories of regret about joining DSOs might be scarce due to various reasons, there are numerous tales of dentists who have stayed independent and found substantial financial and personal success.]]>2372false16fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-5-the-medical-mess-are-dso-s-pulling-dentistry-into-the-same-swamp--56792337
Through personal anecdotes, Bob and Nate underscore the long-term relationships dentists build with their patients and the potential repercussions of capitulating to larger corporate entities. As the episode draws to a close, they pose a poignant challenge to dentists: to ponder deeply on the significance of preserving the integrity, autonomy, and quality of the dental industry for the sake of its future. They encourage reflection on the consequences of dentistry following the path of medicine and the impact of such a devolution to future dentists, their teams, and patients.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56792337Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:13:19 +0000The Pod MillIn this podcast episode, our hosts dive into the distinctions between the medical and dental industries. As the discussion unfolds, Nate interviews Bob drawing on his experience in medicine as a hospital and surgical center CEO, highlighting the...
Through personal anecdotes, Bob and Nate underscore the long-term relationships dentists build with their patients and the potential repercussions of capitulating to larger corporate entities. As the episode draws to a close, they pose a poignant challenge to dentists: to ponder deeply on the significance of preserving the integrity, autonomy, and quality of the dental industry for the sake of its future. They encourage reflection on the consequences of dentistry following the path of medicine and the impact of such a devolution to future dentists, their teams, and patients.]]>2534false15fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-4-the-make-up-of-a-dso-offer-caveat-venditor--56792335
Drawing parallels to emotional purchases, such as the decision to buy new golf clubs even when old ones suffice, the hosts discuss the human tendency to justify decisions emotionally made with logic afterward. The decision to sell to a DSO is framed similarly – an emotionally driven decision that many dentists come to regret, especially when locked into multi-year commitments without a clear vision of the future except knowing in leaving the DSO they almost always are contractually restricted from working within the same area.

Throughout the conversation, Bob and Nate underline the substantial risks for dentists: loss of their asset (the practice), loss of autonomy, the financial loss from repaying the upfront money, and emotional regret. Conversely, DSOs and those facilitating these deals stand to benefit significantly, with the former acquiring valuable assets and the latter reaping hefty commissions.

This episode culminates with a strong message advocating for dentists to retain their practices. While the initial offer from a DSO might seem enticing, in the long-term, holding onto one's practice is presented as the more financially sound and personally/professionally rewarding decision.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56792335Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:12:22 +0000The Pod MillEpisode 4 dives deep into the financial intricacies and emotional pressures associated with Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). Initially, the hosts explore the selling tactics of DSOs, emphasizing the allure of immediate money. These tactics involve...
Drawing parallels to emotional purchases, such as the decision to buy new golf clubs even when old ones suffice, the hosts discuss the human tendency to justify decisions emotionally made with logic afterward. The decision to sell to a DSO is framed similarly – an emotionally driven decision that many dentists come to regret, especially when locked into multi-year commitments without a clear vision of the future except knowing in leaving the DSO they almost always are contractually restricted from working within the same area.

Throughout the conversation, Bob and Nate underline the substantial risks for dentists: loss of their asset (the practice), loss of autonomy, the financial loss from repaying the upfront money, and emotional regret. Conversely, DSOs and those facilitating these deals stand to benefit significantly, with the former acquiring valuable assets and the latter reaping hefty commissions.

This episode culminates with a strong message advocating for dentists to retain their practices. While the initial offer from a DSO might seem enticing, in the long-term, holding onto one's practice is presented as the more financially sound and personally/professionally rewarding decision.]]>2496false14fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-3-wealth-and-dso-tactics-what-you-don-t-know-will-hurt-you--56729562Organizations (DSOs) on the dental industry and their mission to dissuade dentists from selling
their practices to DSOs. They address various aspects of this issue in three parts:

1. Bob and Nate emphasize the difference between wealth as cash and true wealth, which they
define as owning productive capacity, particularly in the context of dental practices. They
discuss the risks associated with selling a dental practice, such as rapid depreciation in value
when the dentist is no longer actively involved.

2. Bob and Nate explore the factors contributing to the rapid growth of DSOs, including
government funding during the COVID-19 pandemic, low interest rates, and surplus capital-
seeking investment opportunities. They share a personal anecdote about a dentist who chose
not to sell his practice to provide his son with an independent dentistry opportunity.

3. Bob and Nate delve into the tactics used by DSOs to entice dentists into selling their
practices, such as offering equity in the buying DSO and recruiting influential doctors to create
network effects. They express concerns about doctors being complicit in the consolidation of
power by DSOs and debunk the myth that selling to a DSO benefits a dentist in the long run.

Overall, Bob and Nate encourage listeners to share their message with colleagues and friends in
the dental industry, raising awareness about the potential downsides of selling to DSOs and the
importance of considering the long-term implications. With any questions, please email us at questions@justsaynotothedso.com]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56729562Thu, 07 Sep 2023 22:39:10 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode, hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams focus on the impact of Dental Support Organizations (DSOs) on the dental industry and their mission to dissuade dentists from selling their practices to DSOs. They address various aspects of this...Organizations (DSOs) on the dental industry and their mission to dissuade dentists from selling
their practices to DSOs. They address various aspects of this issue in three parts:

1. Bob and Nate emphasize the difference between wealth as cash and true wealth, which they
define as owning productive capacity, particularly in the context of dental practices. They
discuss the risks associated with selling a dental practice, such as rapid depreciation in value
when the dentist is no longer actively involved.

2. Bob and Nate explore the factors contributing to the rapid growth of DSOs, including
government funding during the COVID-19 pandemic, low interest rates, and surplus capital-
seeking investment opportunities. They share a personal anecdote about a dentist who chose
not to sell his practice to provide his son with an independent dentistry opportunity.

3. Bob and Nate delve into the tactics used by DSOs to entice dentists into selling their
practices, such as offering equity in the buying DSO and recruiting influential doctors to create
network effects. They express concerns about doctors being complicit in the consolidation of
power by DSOs and debunk the myth that selling to a DSO benefits a dentist in the long run.

Overall, Bob and Nate encourage listeners to share their message with colleagues and friends in
the dental industry, raising awareness about the potential downsides of selling to DSOs and the
importance of considering the long-term implications. With any questions, please email us at questions@justsaynotothedso.com]]>3252false13fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-2-why-dentists-should-not-sell-to-a-dso--56729560
Bob and Nate mention that many aspects of practice management that DSO’s tout they can take off a dentist-owners plate, such as accounting, payroll, HR support, and marketing, can be delegated or hired out. They stress the importance of investing in oneself and seeking coaching and consulting help to build a team that supports the dentist's vision while retaining ownership and control of the practice.

They share examples of successful dentists who have built thriving practices by delegating non-clinical tasks and focusing on their clinical expertise. They also discuss the downside of not delegating and being the bottleneck in practice growth. Ultimately, their experience shows selling to a DSO will almost always lead to making less money while having less control over the practice, and ultimately giving control of the dental industry to non-dentist business people who are ultimately in it to harvest profits, not care for patients or create healthy relationships with doctors or their teams.

Overall, the episode encourages dentists to retain ownership of their practices, embrace the challenges, and build a team that allows them to maintain control while enjoying the financial benefits of ownership. With any questions, please email us at questions@justsaynotothedso.com.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56729560Thu, 07 Sep 2023 22:38:04 +0000The Pod MillIn this podcast episode, Bob and Nate discuss the reasons why dentists should not sell their dental practices to Dental Support Organizations (DSOs). Nate emphasizes the importance of owning a business and the wealth generated by owning productive...
Bob and Nate mention that many aspects of practice management that DSO’s tout they can take off a dentist-owners plate, such as accounting, payroll, HR support, and marketing, can be delegated or hired out. They stress the importance of investing in oneself and seeking coaching and consulting help to build a team that supports the dentist's vision while retaining ownership and control of the practice.

They share examples of successful dentists who have built thriving practices by delegating non-clinical tasks and focusing on their clinical expertise. They also discuss the downside of not delegating and being the bottleneck in practice growth. Ultimately, their experience shows selling to a DSO will almost always lead to making less money while having less control over the practice, and ultimately giving control of the dental industry to non-dentist business people who are ultimately in it to harvest profits, not care for patients or create healthy relationships with doctors or their teams.

Overall, the episode encourages dentists to retain ownership of their practices, embrace the challenges, and build a team that allows them to maintain control while enjoying the financial benefits of ownership. With any questions, please email us at questions@justsaynotothedso.com.]]>2132false12fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-1-what-is-just-say-no-to-the-dso--56729559
They share their backgrounds, with Nate being a dental CPA and financial planner at his nationwide, multi-specialty firm with over 300 dental clients, and Bob having an MBA and 15 years of experience consulting in dentistry. Before consulting in dentistry Bob was a hospital and surgical center CEO, so he had a front row seat to the corporatization of medicine.

They emphasize that they have no financial interest in promoting this message and are dedicated to helping dentists protect their independence and the dental industry as a whole. They also outline the topics they plan to cover in upcoming episodes, such as the consequences of selling to a DSO, understanding DSO players and tactics, and the trajectory of the dental industry.

The podcast aims to provide dentists with information to make informed decisions about their practices. With any questions, please email us at questions@justsaynotothedso.com.]]>https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56729559Thu, 07 Sep 2023 22:36:26 +0000The Pod MillIn this episode, Bob Spiel and Nate Williams introduce their podcast "Just Say No to the DSO." They discuss their purpose, which is to persuade dental practice owners not to sell their practices to Dental Support Organizations (DSOs). Their experience...
They share their backgrounds, with Nate being a dental CPA and financial planner at his nationwide, multi-specialty firm with over 300 dental clients, and Bob having an MBA and 15 years of experience consulting in dentistry. Before consulting in dentistry Bob was a hospital and surgical center CEO, so he had a front row seat to the corporatization of medicine.

They emphasize that they have no financial interest in promoting this message and are dedicated to helping dentists protect their independence and the dental industry as a whole. They also outline the topics they plan to cover in upcoming episodes, such as the consequences of selling to a DSO, understanding DSO players and tactics, and the trajectory of the dental industry.

The podcast aims to provide dentists with information to make informed decisions about their practices. With any questions, please email us at questions@justsaynotothedso.com.]]>1479false11fullhttps://www.spreaker.com/episode/welcome-to-just-say-no-to-the-dso--56568080https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56568080Wed, 23 Aug 2023 15:12:41 +0000The Pod MillIn the trailer we share who Bob Spiel and Nate Williams are, why we are so passionate about the future of dentistry being owned by dentists and not corporations, and what are the questions Season One addresses.219falsetrailer