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Stewart and Alycia speak from deep love for the Bride of Christ and decades of ministry experience as worship leaders, Bible teachers, and Christ-followers who've walked through their own seasons of disillusionment and renewal. Every episode points back to Scripture, back to Jesus, and back to the heart of the Good Shepherd who leaves the 99 for the one.<br /><br />If you've been wounded by the church but still love the Church, this podcast is for you.<br /><br />New episodes every two weeks. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you don't miss a conversation.<br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support</a>.]]></description><atom:link href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/4100466/episodes/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><language>en</language><category>Christianity</category><copyright>Shepherd's Heart Ministries</copyright><image><url>https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/0ad437004db9a0665e0485959d1d89d6.jpg</url><title>Shepherd's Heart</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466</link></image><lastBuildDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 21:08:24 +0000</lastBuildDate><itunes:author>Stewart and Alycia White</itunes:author><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Stewart and Alycia White</itunes:name><itunes:email>info@shepherdsheartministries.org</itunes:email></itunes:owner><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/0ad437004db9a0665e0485959d1d89d6.jpg"/><itunes:subtitle>Bringing the Gospel to Life</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Shepherd's Heart is a podcast for Christ-followers who refuse to look the other way.<br /><br />Hosted by Stewart and Alycia White, Shepherd's Heart tackles the hard conversations the modern church often avoids — church hurt and recovery, spiritual abuse, toxic leadership, pastor burnout, faith deconstruction, and the Christ-centered discernment every believer needs to navigate it all.<br /><br />This isn't cynicism. This isn't an exit ramp from faith. Stewart and Alycia speak from deep love for the Bride of Christ and decades of ministry experience as worship leaders, Bible teachers, and Christ-followers who've walked through their own seasons of disillusionment and renewal. Every episode points back to Scripture, back to Jesus, and back to the heart of the Good Shepherd who leaves the 99 for the one.<br /><br />If you've been wounded by the church but still love the Church, this podcast is for you.<br /><br />New episodes every two weeks. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you don't miss a conversation.<br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support</a>.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:category text="Religion &amp; Spirituality"><itunes:category text="Christianity"/></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Kids &amp; Family"><itunes:category text="Parenting"/></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Religion &amp; Spirituality"/><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><podcast:funding url="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=rss">Support the podcast!</podcast:funding><item><title>When Narcissism Comes to Church | Chuck DeGroat on Spiritual Abuse and Healing</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/when-narcissism-comes-to-church-chuck-degroat-on-spiritual-abuse-and-healing--72746534</link><description><![CDATA[➟ ➟ Narcissism in the church is one of the hardest things to name, especially when the pastor looks godly on Sunday and something still feels deeply wrong. In this episode of Shepherd's Heart, Stewart and Alycia White sit down with therapist and author Chuck DeGroat, who wrote "When Narcissism Comes to Church," for an honest conversation about spiritual abuse, church hurt, and what real healing actually looks like.<br /><br />Chuck has spent more than twenty years doing psychological assessments of pastors and leaders. He explains why narcissism is a spectrum and not just a label. He shows how to tell the difference between a leader having a bad day and a genuine pattern of harm, and why rushing to call someone a "narcissist" is rarely the most helpful place to start. He also shares the warning a seminary professor once gave him that changed the course of his life and his marriage.<br /><br />This is a conversation for anyone who has carried church hurt they could never fully explain, or quietly wondered whether their leader is actually narcissistic. There is a path toward healing, and it starts in a different place than most people expect.<br /><br />What we cover in this episode:<br />➟ Why a "safe shepherd" is the real mark of healthy leadership<br />➟ The difference between abuse and the trauma that lingers long after it<br />➟ Why healing is "not microwavable" and what genuine change actually requires<br />➟ How forgiveness and justice are not the same thing<br />➟ What almost every narcissistic leader has buried in their own story<br />➟ How to discern real harm from a one-off mistake<br /><br />"I'm never working with a narcissist. I'm working with someone who bears the image of God." - Chuck DeGroat<br /><br />CHAPTERS<br />00:00 Personal growth and self-discovery<br />05:57 Using Milan Clinical Inventory<br />06:59 Discussing narcissistic personality traits<br />10:59 Examining Saul's leadership flaws<br />14:21 Narcissism and self-protection in therapy<br />17:40 Understanding vulnerability and self-protection<br />21:53 Assessing pastors' future challenges<br />24:37 Focusing on impact over labels<br />28:39 Discussing psychological diagnoses<br />33:44 Starting Point for Healing Trauma<br />34:23 Creating a safe space for healing<br />39:15 Recognizing signs of a panic attack<br />40:44 Importance of addressing physical needs<br />45:16 Shifting to a more grounded life<br />48:00 Seeking justice and healing<br />52:01 Reflecting on grace and forgiveness<br />54:31 Contact and Social Media Info<br /><br /><b>ABOUT OUR GUEST</b><br />Chuck DeGroat is a therapist, professor, and author of "When Narcissism Comes to Church" and "Healing What's Within." He co-founded the Soul Care Collaborative and teaches at Western Theological Seminary.<br /><br /><b>Website</b>: https://www.chuckdegroat.net/<br /><br /><b>Soul Care Collaborative</b>: https://www.soulcarecollaborative.com/<br /><br /><b>His books: </b><br /><b></b><br /><i><b>When Narcissism Comes to Church: Healing Your Community From Emotional and Spiritual Abuse</b></i>: https://amzn.to/4oV9mNr<br /><i><b>Healing What’s Within: Coming Home to Yourself--and to God--When You're Wounded, Weary, and Wandering</b></i>: https://amzn.to/4y0mXaI<br /><br /><b>More Books</b>: https://www.chuckdegroat.net/books<br /><br />If this conversation helped you, please like, subscribe, and share it with someone who needs it. Hit the bell so you never miss a new episode on faith, healing, and discernment.<br /><br /><b>CONNECT WITH SHEPHERD'S HEART</b><br />Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ShepherdsHeartShow<br />Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shepherdsheartministries/<br /><br />#ChurchHurt #SpiritualAbuse #Narcissism #ShepherdsHeart<br /><br />Keywords: narcissism in the church, narcissistic pastor, spiritual abuse, church hurt, Chuck DeGroat, When Narcissism Comes to Church, healing from church hurt, narcissistic personality disorder, toxic church leadership, spiritual abuse recovery, biblical discernment<br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support</a>.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72746534</guid><pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 21:08:21 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/p.podderapp.com/1774901002/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/72746534/shepherds_heart_chuck_degroat_interview.mp3" length="134589120" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://app.castmagic.io/recordings/a6a08548-ee82-456b-a81b-04b9706b71e6/transcript/download?format=srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><itunes:author>Stewart and Alycia White</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>➟ ➟ Narcissism in the church is one of the hardest things to name, especially when the pastor looks godly on Sunday and something still feels deeply wrong. In this episode of Shepherd's Heart, Stewart and Alycia White sit down with therapist and...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[➟ ➟ Narcissism in the church is one of the hardest things to name, especially when the pastor looks godly on Sunday and something still feels deeply wrong. In this episode of Shepherd's Heart, Stewart and Alycia White sit down with therapist and author Chuck DeGroat, who wrote "When Narcissism Comes to Church," for an honest conversation about spiritual abuse, church hurt, and what real healing actually looks like.<br /><br />Chuck has spent more than twenty years doing psychological assessments of pastors and leaders. He explains why narcissism is a spectrum and not just a label. He shows how to tell the difference between a leader having a bad day and a genuine pattern of harm, and why rushing to call someone a "narcissist" is rarely the most helpful place to start. He also shares the warning a seminary professor once gave him that changed the course of his life and his marriage.<br /><br />This is a conversation for anyone who has carried church hurt they could never fully explain, or quietly wondered whether their leader is actually narcissistic. There is a path toward healing, and it starts in a different place than most people expect.<br /><br />What we cover in this episode:<br />➟ Why a "safe shepherd" is the real mark of healthy leadership<br />➟ The difference between abuse and the trauma that lingers long after it<br />➟ Why healing is "not microwavable" and what genuine change actually requires<br />➟ How forgiveness and justice are not the same thing<br />➟ What almost every narcissistic leader has buried in their own story<br />➟ How to discern real harm from a one-off mistake<br /><br />"I'm never working with a narcissist. I'm working with someone who bears the image of God." - Chuck DeGroat<br /><br />CHAPTERS<br />00:00 Personal growth and self-discovery<br />05:57 Using Milan Clinical Inventory<br />06:59 Discussing narcissistic personality traits<br />10:59 Examining Saul's leadership flaws<br />14:21 Narcissism and self-protection in therapy<br />17:40 Understanding vulnerability and self-protection<br />21:53 Assessing pastors' future challenges<br />24:37 Focusing on impact over labels<br />28:39 Discussing psychological diagnoses<br />33:44 Starting Point for Healing Trauma<br />34:23 Creating a safe space for healing<br />39:15 Recognizing signs of a panic attack<br />40:44 Importance of addressing physical needs<br />45:16 Shifting to a more grounded life<br />48:00 Seeking justice and healing<br />52:01 Reflecting on grace and forgiveness<br />54:31 Contact and Social Media Info<br /><br /><b>ABOUT OUR GUEST</b><br />Chuck DeGroat is a therapist, professor, and author of "When Narcissism Comes to Church" and "Healing What's Within." He co-founded the Soul Care Collaborative and teaches at Western Theological Seminary.<br /><br /><b>Website</b>: https://www.chuckdegroat.net/<br /><br /><b>Soul Care Collaborative</b>: https://www.soulcarecollaborative.com/<br /><br /><b>His books: </b><br /><b></b><br /><i><b>When Narcissism Comes to Church: Healing Your Community From Emotional and Spiritual Abuse</b></i>: https://amzn.to/4oV9mNr<br /><i><b>Healing What’s Within: Coming Home to Yourself--and to God--When You're Wounded, Weary, and Wandering</b></i>: https://amzn.to/4y0mXaI<br /><br /><b>More Books</b>: https://www.chuckdegroat.net/books<br /><br />If this conversation helped you, please like, subscribe, and share it with someone who needs it. Hit the bell so you never miss a new episode on faith, healing, and discernment.<br /><br /><b>CONNECT WITH SHEPHERD'S HEART</b><br />Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ShepherdsHeartShow<br />Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shepherdsheartministries/<br /><br />#ChurchHurt #SpiritualAbuse #Narcissism #ShepherdsHeart<br /><br />Keywords: narcissism in the church, narcissistic pastor, spiritual abuse, church hurt, Chuck DeGroat, When Narcissism Comes to Church, healing from church hurt, narcissistic personality disorder, toxic church leadership, spiritual...]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>3365</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>abuse,chuck,church,degroat,disorder,from,healing,hurt,narcissism,narcissist,narcissistic,pastor,pastors,personality,spiritual,to,when</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ccc83e4abf49befe42d7a9d3e640341e.jpg"/><itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Should I Leave My Church? | Seven Biblical Questions You Need to Consider</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/should-i-leave-my-church-seven-biblical-questions-you-need-to-consider--72061905</link><description><![CDATA[Should I leave my church? If you're wrestling with church hurt, spiritual abuse, or unhealthy leadership, this conversation is for you.<br />In this episode of Shepherd's Heart, Stewart and Alycia White walk through 7 biblical questions to help you discern whether to stay, leave, or let God do deeper work in your own heart first. With humility and gospel-centered clarity, we speak to wounded believers and thoughtful leaders alike — pointing you back to Jesus, the Good Shepherd, who loves His church more than we ever could.<br /><br />⏱ CHAPTERS<br />00:00 - Introduction: Should I Leave My Church? The Hard Question<br />01:15 - The Three Outcomes When Questioning Your Church<br />03:20 - When Abuse Is Present: When You Must Leave Immediately<br />04:14 - Question 1: Is the Gospel Truly Being Preached?<br />10:24 - Action Step: How to Directly Ask Your Pastor About the Gospel<br />14:19 - Question 2: Is Scripture the Authority or Just an Accessory?<br />17:57 - Red Flags: Ignoring and Misusing Scripture in the Church<br />22:42 - Question 3: Is Unrepentant Sin Confronted or Ignored in Your Church?<br />31:49 - Question 4: Are Your Leaders Qualified and Accountable?<br />43:15 - Question 5: Is Your Soul Being Fed or Starved at Church?<br />47:59 - Question 6: Have You Exhausted the Biblical Path of Appeal?<br />53:05 - Question 7: Are You Leaving Toward Something?<br />56:01 - Bonus Question: Why Do I Want to Leave or Stay?<br />58:58 - Jesus Addresses Tolerance in the Church<br />1:00:36 - Final Thoughts<br /><br />📖 IN THIS EPISODE<br /><ul><li>7 honest, biblically-sound questions to prayerfully evaluate your church and your own heart</li><li>Red flags in leadership: gospel clarity, Scripture's centrality, how sin is (or isn't) addressed</li><li>How to distinguish conviction from condemnation, consumerism from discipleship, comfort from real spiritual growth</li><li>The dangers of pastoral neglect, unaccountable leadership, and wolves in sheep's clothing</li><li>What to do when facing abuse — and why the Bible demands immediate action for safety and justice</li><li>Encouragement for whether you stay, leave, or find God working first in you</li></ul><br /><br />✝️ KEY SCRIPTURES<br />1 Timothy 3 &amp; 1 Peter 5 — the character and accountability of biblical shepherds<br />Galatians 1 — the cost of losing the true gospel<br />Matthew 18 &amp; 1 Corinthians 5 — Christ's commands for confronting sin with care<br /><br />💬 A GENTLE REMINDER<br />This podcast is a place for honest conversation and gospel-centered healing — not a substitute for local church shepherding, professional counseling, or immediate help if you're in danger. If you're facing abuse or unsafe leadership, please reach out to trustworthy local authorities or a Christ-centered counselor right away.<br />If you're hurting, you are not alone. Your story matters. Your pain is seen by Christ, and there is real hope for healing and restoration.<br /><br />If you need help and someone to talk to about your situation, we recommend reaching out to BeEmbolded:<br /><ul><li>beEmboldened Ministries website — https://www.beemboldened.com/</li><li>beEmboldened YouTube channel — https://www.youtube.com/@beEmboldened</li><li>Contact beEmboldened: https://www.beemboldened.com/contact</li><li>Workshops for churches, survivor groups, and more are available— https://www.beemboldened.com/programs</li></ul><br /><br />🙏 If this conversation served you, would you subscribe and share it with someone who needs gospel-centered encouragement? Drop a comment with your questions, experiences, or prayer requests. We read them, and we're here to listen.<br /><br />#ShepherdsHeart #churchhurt  #spiritualabuse  #ShouldILeaveMyChurch #christianpodcast  #biblicaldiscernment  #gospelhealing  #ToxicChurchLeadership<br /><br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support</a>.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/72061905</guid><pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2026 23:58:24 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/p.podderapp.com/1774901002/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/72061905/shepherds_heart_should_i_leave_my_church.mp3" length="147456960" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://app.castmagic.io/recordings/4a947c5a-5212-43fb-9471-3fe4c505928d/transcript/download?format=srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><itunes:author>Stewart and Alycia White</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Should I leave my church? If you're wrestling with church hurt, spiritual abuse, or unhealthy leadership, this conversation is for you.
In this episode of Shepherd's Heart, Stewart and Alycia White walk through 7 biblical questions to help you discern...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Should I leave my church? If you're wrestling with church hurt, spiritual abuse, or unhealthy leadership, this conversation is for you.<br />In this episode of Shepherd's Heart, Stewart and Alycia White walk through 7 biblical questions to help you discern whether to stay, leave, or let God do deeper work in your own heart first. With humility and gospel-centered clarity, we speak to wounded believers and thoughtful leaders alike — pointing you back to Jesus, the Good Shepherd, who loves His church more than we ever could.<br /><br />⏱ CHAPTERS<br />00:00 - Introduction: Should I Leave My Church? The Hard Question<br />01:15 - The Three Outcomes When Questioning Your Church<br />03:20 - When Abuse Is Present: When You Must Leave Immediately<br />04:14 - Question 1: Is the Gospel Truly Being Preached?<br />10:24 - Action Step: How to Directly Ask Your Pastor About the Gospel<br />14:19 - Question 2: Is Scripture the Authority or Just an Accessory?<br />17:57 - Red Flags: Ignoring and Misusing Scripture in the Church<br />22:42 - Question 3: Is Unrepentant Sin Confronted or Ignored in Your Church?<br />31:49 - Question 4: Are Your Leaders Qualified and Accountable?<br />43:15 - Question 5: Is Your Soul Being Fed or Starved at Church?<br />47:59 - Question 6: Have You Exhausted the Biblical Path of Appeal?<br />53:05 - Question 7: Are You Leaving Toward Something?<br />56:01 - Bonus Question: Why Do I Want to Leave or Stay?<br />58:58 - Jesus Addresses Tolerance in the Church<br />1:00:36 - Final Thoughts<br /><br />📖 IN THIS EPISODE<br /><ul><li>7 honest, biblically-sound questions to prayerfully evaluate your church and your own heart</li><li>Red flags in leadership: gospel clarity, Scripture's centrality, how sin is (or isn't) addressed</li><li>How to distinguish conviction from condemnation, consumerism from discipleship, comfort from real spiritual growth</li><li>The dangers of pastoral neglect, unaccountable leadership, and wolves in sheep's clothing</li><li>What to do when facing abuse — and why the Bible demands immediate action for safety and justice</li><li>Encouragement for whether you stay, leave, or find God working first in you</li></ul><br /><br />✝️ KEY SCRIPTURES<br />1 Timothy 3 &amp; 1 Peter 5 — the character and accountability of biblical shepherds<br />Galatians 1 — the cost of losing the true gospel<br />Matthew 18 &amp; 1 Corinthians 5 — Christ's commands for confronting sin with care<br /><br />💬 A GENTLE REMINDER<br />This podcast is a place for honest conversation and gospel-centered healing — not a substitute for local church shepherding, professional counseling, or immediate help if you're in danger. If you're facing abuse or unsafe leadership, please reach out to trustworthy local authorities or a Christ-centered counselor right away.<br />If you're hurting, you are not alone. Your story matters. Your pain is seen by Christ, and there is real hope for healing and restoration.<br /><br />If you need help and someone to talk to about your situation, we recommend reaching out to BeEmbolded:<br /><ul><li>beEmboldened Ministries website — https://www.beemboldened.com/</li><li>beEmboldened YouTube channel — https://www.youtube.com/@beEmboldened</li><li>Contact beEmboldened: https://www.beemboldened.com/contact</li><li>Workshops for churches, survivor groups, and more are available— https://www.beemboldened.com/programs</li></ul><br /><br />🙏 If this conversation served you, would you subscribe and share it with someone who needs gospel-centered encouragement? Drop a comment with your questions, experiences, or prayer requests. We read them, and we're here to listen.<br /><br />#ShepherdsHeart #churchhurt  #spiritualabuse  #ShouldILeaveMyChurch #christianpodcast  #biblicaldiscernment  #gospelhealing  #ToxicChurchLeadership<br /><br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a...]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>3687</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>abuse,accountability,authority,biblical,care,church,discernment,discipline,gospel,growth,heart,hurt,leadership,leave,pastoral,questions,repentance,shepherds,should,spiritual</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/6662554b25e0656147452761bfeed8f2.jpg"/><itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>When Churches Operate Like Corporations | 7 Telltale Signs</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/when-churches-operate-like-corporations-7-telltale-signs--71860677</link><description><![CDATA[Are you wrestling with church hurt, spiritual abuse, or disappointment in pastoral care and church leadership? In this gospel-centered episode of Shepherd’s Heart, Stewart and Alycia White gently but boldly unpack the crucial differences between a biblical church and a church as business. We explore how unhealthy church structures, CEO pastors, and corporate church models can lead to spiritual trauma, abuse of power, and a crisis of accountability, leaving wounded believers searching for healing, restoration, and trustworthy discipleship.<br /><br />Learn how to recognize seven clear signs your church may be operating as a business rather than following Christ’s call to gospel-centered care and authentic biblical counseling. We discuss red flags such as NDAs (non-disclosure agreements), church discipline handled as HR, treating members as customers, mega church dynamics, partiality toward influential members, misuse of church discipline, avoidance of church crisis conversations, and prioritizing brand over people.<br /><br />You’ll gain insight into real biblical discernment; how to spot unhealthy church organizations, navigate church discipline, seek wise accountability, and evaluate your own healing journey. Whether you’ve experienced toxic church leadership, spiritual neglect, or are a leader seeking a healthy church model, Stewart and Alycia point you to the hope of Christ, the comfort of Scripture, and practical next steps for your healing and restoration.<br /><br />If you need resources or support, we highly recommend reaching out to BeEmboldened:<br /><ul><li>BeEmboldened Ministries website — https://www.beemboldened.com/</li><li>BeEmboldened YouTube channel — https://www.youtube.com/@beEmboldened</li><li>Contact beEmboldened: https://www.beemboldened.com/contact</li><li>Workshops for churches, survivor groups, and more are available— https://www.beemboldened.com/programs</li></ul><br /><br />Episode Summary:<br /><ul><li>Seven warning signs that point to a business-minded church structure and how these relate to spiritual abuse, trauma, and neglect.</li><li>How CEO pastors, mega church growth, and legal tools like NDAs signal a shift from gospel-centered discipleship to corporate priorities.</li><li>Why biblical counseling, scriptural accountability, and honest pastoral care must anchor every healthy church.</li><li>How to recognize and respond wisely to partiality, power imbalances, and crisis management driven by business interests rather than love for Christ.</li><li>Steps for your healing journey: approaching church leadership with grace, processing hurt through a biblical lens, and discerning when it may be time to seek restoration or a new church community.</li></ul><br />The essential marks of a truly healthy, biblically faithful church.<br /><br />Key Scripture:<br />John 10 highlights Jesus as the Good Shepherd who cares for, restores, and protects His flock, contrasting godly pastoral leadership with the dangers of false shepherds and business-focused church organizations.<br /><br />Care and Encouragement:<br />If you are navigating spiritual trauma, abuse of power, or crisis in your church, know you are not alone. Shepherd’s Heart is not a substitute for local pastoral care, Biblical counseling, or professional counseling where necessary, but comes alongside you on your healing journey with truth and compassion.<br /><br />Final Encouragement &amp; Call to Action:<br />If this episode helps you discern, heal, or grow, please subscribe, share, and comment with your questions or experiences. Stewart and Alycia take every story seriously—it’s our honor to pray for you.<br />Reach out below if you would like support, have suggestions for future topics, or need help taking your next step toward restoration.<br /><br />You are seen, loved, and cared for by the Good Shepherd. There is hope after church hurt—and real healing can begin.<br /><br />TIMSTAMPS:<br />0:00 - Why Jesus Flipped Tables (And Where He Did It)<br />0:42 - We Love the Church! Here's Why This Conversation Matters<br />5:07 - Sign #1: The Pastor Acts More Like a CEO Than a Shepherd<br />11:35 - Sign #2: Members Are Treated Like Customers or Stockholders<br />18:23 - Sign #3: The Service Points to the Church Instead of Christ<br />25:50 - Sign #4: Missions Become a Brand-Building Sizzle Reel<br />29:06 - Sign #5: Crisis Response Looks Like Corporate PR, Not Pastoral Care<br />38:54 - Sign #6: The Speed of Response Reveals the Heart<br />47:14 - Sign #7: NDAs and Legal Silencing in the Church<br />50:29 - What To Do If You're Seeing These Red Flags<br />52:45 - Sign #8 (BONUS!): When All Counseling Gets Outsourced<br />53:46 - Closing Thoughts and Prayer Request<br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support</a>.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71860677</guid><pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2026 20:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/p.podderapp.com/1774901002/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/71860677/shepherds_heart_seven_signs_your_church_is_a_business.mp3" length="132929280" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://freepodcasttranscription.com/transcription/bee6ea5a45751bab232e42141e01f3a20a3e0bc6.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><itunes:author>Stewart and Alycia White</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Are you wrestling with church hurt, spiritual abuse, or disappointment in pastoral care and church leadership? In this gospel-centered episode of Shepherd’s Heart, Stewart and Alycia White gently but boldly unpack the crucial differences between a...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Are you wrestling with church hurt, spiritual abuse, or disappointment in pastoral care and church leadership? In this gospel-centered episode of Shepherd’s Heart, Stewart and Alycia White gently but boldly unpack the crucial differences between a biblical church and a church as business. We explore how unhealthy church structures, CEO pastors, and corporate church models can lead to spiritual trauma, abuse of power, and a crisis of accountability, leaving wounded believers searching for healing, restoration, and trustworthy discipleship.<br /><br />Learn how to recognize seven clear signs your church may be operating as a business rather than following Christ’s call to gospel-centered care and authentic biblical counseling. We discuss red flags such as NDAs (non-disclosure agreements), church discipline handled as HR, treating members as customers, mega church dynamics, partiality toward influential members, misuse of church discipline, avoidance of church crisis conversations, and prioritizing brand over people.<br /><br />You’ll gain insight into real biblical discernment; how to spot unhealthy church organizations, navigate church discipline, seek wise accountability, and evaluate your own healing journey. Whether you’ve experienced toxic church leadership, spiritual neglect, or are a leader seeking a healthy church model, Stewart and Alycia point you to the hope of Christ, the comfort of Scripture, and practical next steps for your healing and restoration.<br /><br />If you need resources or support, we highly recommend reaching out to BeEmboldened:<br /><ul><li>BeEmboldened Ministries website — https://www.beemboldened.com/</li><li>BeEmboldened YouTube channel — https://www.youtube.com/@beEmboldened</li><li>Contact beEmboldened: https://www.beemboldened.com/contact</li><li>Workshops for churches, survivor groups, and more are available— https://www.beemboldened.com/programs</li></ul><br /><br />Episode Summary:<br /><ul><li>Seven warning signs that point to a business-minded church structure and how these relate to spiritual abuse, trauma, and neglect.</li><li>How CEO pastors, mega church growth, and legal tools like NDAs signal a shift from gospel-centered discipleship to corporate priorities.</li><li>Why biblical counseling, scriptural accountability, and honest pastoral care must anchor every healthy church.</li><li>How to recognize and respond wisely to partiality, power imbalances, and crisis management driven by business interests rather than love for Christ.</li><li>Steps for your healing journey: approaching church leadership with grace, processing hurt through a biblical lens, and discerning when it may be time to seek restoration or a new church community.</li></ul><br />The essential marks of a truly healthy, biblically faithful church.<br /><br />Key Scripture:<br />John 10 highlights Jesus as the Good Shepherd who cares for, restores, and protects His flock, contrasting godly pastoral leadership with the dangers of false shepherds and business-focused church organizations.<br /><br />Care and Encouragement:<br />If you are navigating spiritual trauma, abuse of power, or crisis in your church, know you are not alone. Shepherd’s Heart is not a substitute for local pastoral care, Biblical counseling, or professional counseling where necessary, but comes alongside you on your healing journey with truth and compassion.<br /><br />Final Encouragement &amp; Call to Action:<br />If this episode helps you discern, heal, or grow, please subscribe, share, and comment with your questions or experiences. Stewart and Alycia take every story seriously—it’s our honor to pray for you.<br />Reach out below if you would like support, have suggestions for future topics, or need help taking your next step toward restoration.<br /><br />You are seen, loved, and cared for by the Good Shepherd. There is hope after church hurt—and real healing can begin.<br /><br />TIMSTAMPS:<br />0:00 - Why Jesus Flipped Tables (And Where He...]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>3324</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>abuse,bible,biblical,christianity,church,counseling,discipleship,faith,healing,holy,journey,leadership,nda,power,religion,restoration,spirit,theology</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/906635be1945e143f35b627a5cba2f91.jpg"/><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Spiritual Abuse Exposed: Why Church Members Are Walking Away and What to Do About It | Naomi Wright</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/spiritual-abuse-exposed-why-church-members-are-walking-away-and-what-to-do-about-it-naomi-wright--71481692</link><description><![CDATA[If you’ve experienced church hurt, spiritual abuse, toxic church leadership, or deep trauma inside a faith community, this conversation is for you. In this episode, we talk honestly about healing, restoration, boundaries, pastoral care, church discipline, and the painful reality of abuse in church culture. We also explore how the gospel, Jesus, and the Bible speak into grief, loss, betrayal, damaged relationships, mental health struggles, and the long road of recovery after spiritual harm. Whether you are an abuse survivor, a church leader, a pastor, or someone wrestling with faith, spirituality, and what biblical leadership should actually look like, this episode offers clarity, discernment, and hope.<br /><br />Naomi Wright of beEmboldened shares her story of surviving spiritual abuse and cult recovery, along with practical wisdom for recognizing unhealthy power dynamics, responding to the covering up of abuse, and pursuing real reconciliation where possible. This is a Christ-centered conversation about faith, healing, accountability, discipleship, and finding hope in Christ after church pain.<br /><br />Resources &amp; Contact Information:<br /><ul><li>beEmboldened Ministries website — https://www.beemboldened.com/</li><li>beEmboldened YouTube channel — https://www.youtube.com/@beEmboldened</li><li>Contact beEmboldened: https://www.beemboldened.com/contact</li><li>Workshops for churches, survivor groups, and more are available— https://www.beemboldened.com/programs</li><li>Recommended interview for more of Naomi’s story: Sean McDowell &amp; Naomi Wright on YouTube - https://youtu.be/YWl5wvvlo4E?si=L-hxe4eGh_U4mdE_</li></ul><br /><br />In this episode:<br /><ul><li>Learn the difference between strong, biblical leadership and abusive leadership, and how to recognize red flags in church or ministry relationships.</li><li>Understand how spiritual abuse can occur in both extreme settings (e.g., cults) and mainstream churches, and how subtler forms are often overlooked or explained away.</li><li>Get a clear, working definition of spiritual abuse, why it flourishes in certain church cultures, and how leaders and systems unintentionally enable it through silencing, neglect, or misplaced loyalty.</li><li>Explore the effects of trauma, including why survivors struggle to find language or speak up, and how church responses can either deepen wounds or foster true restoration.</li><li>Receive practical encouragement: steps for those hurt by spiritual leaders, ways healthy churches can protect and respond, and counsel for church members struggling to understand and support those wounded.</li><li>Hear pastoral advice for discerning healthy versus toxic church environments, and what real biblical accountability should look like among God’s people.</li></ul><br /><br />Scripture Foundation:<br />Ezekiel 34 anchors our conversation. God’s heart is clear—He sees when shepherds harm rather than protect His flock, and He Himself steps in as the Good Shepherd to rescue, heal, and restore. Jesus loves His sheep, calls out false shepherds, and promises justice along with compassionate care for the wounded.<br /><br />We know that for many, church trauma and spiritual abuse bring pain, confusion, and sometimes despair. If you’re hurting, please know you are not alone and that Christ is near to the brokenhearted. Gospel-centered healing is possible, and trustworthy help can be found.<br /><br /><i><b>This podcast is not a substitute for local church shepherding or professional counseling. If your situation is unsafe or urgent, please seek immediate help in your area.</b></i><br /><br />We hope you’ll find wise, gracious guidance, whether you’re a survivor hoping for a path forward or a church leader longing to shepherd Christ’s flock more faithfully.<br /><br />If this conversation helps you, please subscribe and share with others who may need it.<br />We welcome your questions and stories!<br /><br />TIMESTAMPS:<br />00:00 Confusion about religious upbringing<br />06:47 Feeling a Protective Presence<br />15:18 Recognizing spiritual abuse dynamics<br />20:37 Recognizing motives in leadership<br />21:51 Discussing Bea Bolden's mission and audience<br />30:56 Teaching accountability and limiting power<br />32:55 Understanding and discussing spiritual abuse<br />41:08 Encouraging outside support for churches<br />45:56 Handling leadership crises<br />49:21 Guidance for the outer circle<br />55:33 Importance of following up<br />01:02:26 Focus on genuine repentance and faith<br />01:07:11 Understanding victim motivations<br />01:15:24 Community outreach and engagement ideas<br />01:21:17 Encouragement and church resources<br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support</a>.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71481692</guid><pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 13:15:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/p.podderapp.com/1774901002/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/71481692/shepherds_heart_naomi_wright.mp3" length="198245760" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://freepodcasttranscription.com/transcription/9363743d81e14dc41222c4f60dc5992c3d5f145b.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><itunes:author>Stewart and Alycia White</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>If you’ve experienced church hurt, spiritual abuse, toxic church leadership, or deep trauma inside a faith community, this conversation is for you. In this episode, we talk honestly about healing, restoration, boundaries, pastoral care, church...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[If you’ve experienced church hurt, spiritual abuse, toxic church leadership, or deep trauma inside a faith community, this conversation is for you. In this episode, we talk honestly about healing, restoration, boundaries, pastoral care, church discipline, and the painful reality of abuse in church culture. We also explore how the gospel, Jesus, and the Bible speak into grief, loss, betrayal, damaged relationships, mental health struggles, and the long road of recovery after spiritual harm. Whether you are an abuse survivor, a church leader, a pastor, or someone wrestling with faith, spirituality, and what biblical leadership should actually look like, this episode offers clarity, discernment, and hope.<br /><br />Naomi Wright of beEmboldened shares her story of surviving spiritual abuse and cult recovery, along with practical wisdom for recognizing unhealthy power dynamics, responding to the covering up of abuse, and pursuing real reconciliation where possible. This is a Christ-centered conversation about faith, healing, accountability, discipleship, and finding hope in Christ after church pain.<br /><br />Resources &amp; Contact Information:<br /><ul><li>beEmboldened Ministries website — https://www.beemboldened.com/</li><li>beEmboldened YouTube channel — https://www.youtube.com/@beEmboldened</li><li>Contact beEmboldened: https://www.beemboldened.com/contact</li><li>Workshops for churches, survivor groups, and more are available— https://www.beemboldened.com/programs</li><li>Recommended interview for more of Naomi’s story: Sean McDowell &amp; Naomi Wright on YouTube - https://youtu.be/YWl5wvvlo4E?si=L-hxe4eGh_U4mdE_</li></ul><br /><br />In this episode:<br /><ul><li>Learn the difference between strong, biblical leadership and abusive leadership, and how to recognize red flags in church or ministry relationships.</li><li>Understand how spiritual abuse can occur in both extreme settings (e.g., cults) and mainstream churches, and how subtler forms are often overlooked or explained away.</li><li>Get a clear, working definition of spiritual abuse, why it flourishes in certain church cultures, and how leaders and systems unintentionally enable it through silencing, neglect, or misplaced loyalty.</li><li>Explore the effects of trauma, including why survivors struggle to find language or speak up, and how church responses can either deepen wounds or foster true restoration.</li><li>Receive practical encouragement: steps for those hurt by spiritual leaders, ways healthy churches can protect and respond, and counsel for church members struggling to understand and support those wounded.</li><li>Hear pastoral advice for discerning healthy versus toxic church environments, and what real biblical accountability should look like among God’s people.</li></ul><br /><br />Scripture Foundation:<br />Ezekiel 34 anchors our conversation. God’s heart is clear—He sees when shepherds harm rather than protect His flock, and He Himself steps in as the Good Shepherd to rescue, heal, and restore. Jesus loves His sheep, calls out false shepherds, and promises justice along with compassionate care for the wounded.<br /><br />We know that for many, church trauma and spiritual abuse bring pain, confusion, and sometimes despair. If you’re hurting, please know you are not alone and that Christ is near to the brokenhearted. Gospel-centered healing is possible, and trustworthy help can be found.<br /><br /><i><b>This podcast is not a substitute for local church shepherding or professional counseling. If your situation is unsafe or urgent, please seek immediate help in your area.</b></i><br /><br />We hope you’ll find wise, gracious guidance, whether you’re a survivor hoping for a path forward or a church leader longing to shepherd Christ’s flock more faithfully.<br /><br />If this conversation helps you, please subscribe and share with others who may need it.<br />We welcome your questions and stories!<br /><br />TIMESTAMPS:<br />00:00 Confusion about...]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>4957</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>abuse,biblical,boundaries,care,church,cult,discipleship,discipline,grief,healing,hurt,in,leadership,loss,pastoral,power,recovery,restoration,spiritual,trauma</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/2730888c702f491a6fe6dd7bee0111a7.jpg"/><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Speaking the Truth in Love | Shepherd's Heart Podcast - Coming Soon!</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/speaking-the-truth-in-love-shepherd-s-heart-podcast-coming-soon--71345205</link><description><![CDATA[Something is amiss within the house of God, where those seeking truth and healing often encounter control and silence instead of spiritual guidance from those entrusted to shepherd them. This situation has led many to deconstruct their faith, moving away from not just the building, but from christianity altogether. Shepherd's Heart acts as a lifeline for those who have been hurt, expressing a deep love for the church community while acknowledging these significant issues. If you or someone you know has been impacted in a negative way by those who claim the name of Jesus, this show is for you.<br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support</a>.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/71345205</guid><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 15:05:16 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/p.podderapp.com/1774901002/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/71345205/sheperd_s_heart_promo_trailer_final_3.mp3" length="6995520" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://freepodcasttranscription.com/transcription/c5084aca17ef0a8915034418532c309a7b361ba1.srt" type="application/x-subrip" language="en"/><itunes:author>Stewart and Alycia White</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Something is amiss within the house of God, where those seeking truth and healing often encounter control and silence instead of spiritual guidance from those entrusted to shepherd them. This situation has led many to deconstruct their faith, moving...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Something is amiss within the house of God, where those seeking truth and healing often encounter control and silence instead of spiritual guidance from those entrusted to shepherd them. This situation has led many to deconstruct their faith, moving away from not just the building, but from christianity altogether. Shepherd's Heart acts as a lifeline for those who have been hurt, expressing a deep love for the church community while acknowledging these significant issues. If you or someone you know has been impacted in a negative way by those who claim the name of Jesus, this show is for you.<br /><br />Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/shepherd-s-heart--4100466/support</a>.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>175</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>abuse,bible,biblical,christianity,christians,church,discernment,discipleship,doctrine,faith,false,heart,hurt,pastor,pastors,sexual,shepherd's,spiritual,survivors,teaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/4a53112945dbed153130e0f563ca4c06.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>trailer</itunes:episodeType></item></channel></rss>
