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<rss xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" version="2.0"><channel><title>Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/pastors-talk-a-podcast-by-9marks--2168263</link><description><![CDATA[Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.]]></description><atom:link href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/2168263/episodes/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><language>en</language><category>Christianity</category><copyright>Copyright 9Marks</copyright><image><url>https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg</url><title>Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/pastors-talk-a-podcast-by-9marks--2168263</link></image><lastBuildDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 18:47:40 +0000</lastBuildDate><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:owner><itunes:name>9Marks</itunes:name><itunes:email>jeri@9marks.org</itunes:email></itunes:owner><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:subtitle>Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:category text="Religion &amp; Spirituality"><itunes:category text="Christianity"/></itunes:category><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><item><title>Special Episode: On Preaching About the American Revolution (Ep. 337)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/special-episode-on-preaching-about-the-american-revolution-ep-337--73079404</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss the unusual sermon Mark preached on July 5th, 2026 — the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence; tackling the question, "Are we celebrating the 250th anniversary of a sin?" Along the way they reflect on when to depart from expositional preaching for a topical occasion, rightly ordered love of country versus idolatry.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/73079404</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 09:00:35 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/73079404/pts10_36_special_episode_on_preaching_about_the_american_revolution.mp3" length="34984398" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss the unusual sermon Mark preached on July 5th, 2026 — the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence; tackling the question, "Are we celebrating the 250th anniversary of...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss the unusual sermon Mark preached on July 5th, 2026 — the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence; tackling the question, "Are we celebrating the 250th anniversary of a sin?" Along the way they reflect on when to depart from expositional preaching for a topical occasion, rightly ordered love of country versus idolatry.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2187</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Special Episode: On Lessons from Mark's Medical Event (Ep. 336)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/special-episode-on-lessons-from-mark-s-medical-event-ep-336--72960111</link><description><![CDATA[In this special episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark and Connie Dever to talk through Mark's sudden medical event. 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Jonathan sits down with his senior pastor, Larry Lazarus, to consider this question.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1836</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Expositional Preaching with H.B. Charles Jr. (Ep. 322)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-expositional-preaching-with-h-b-charles-jr-ep-322--70402789</link><description><![CDATA[Mark talks to H.B. Charles Jr. on ministerial calling and how he prepares for preaching.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70402789</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2026 10:00:17 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/70402789/pts10_21_on_expositional_preaching_with_hb_charles_jr.mp3" length="24116194" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark talks to H.B. Charles Jr. on ministerial calling and how he prepares for preaching.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark talks to H.B. Charles Jr. on ministerial calling and how he prepares for preaching.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1508</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Getting to know HB Charles Jr (Ep. 321)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-getting-to-know-hb-charles-jr-ep-321--70244903</link><description><![CDATA[Mark sits down with H.B. Charles Jr. to talk about his ministerial journey and how God has used him.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/70244903</guid><pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2026 10:00:26 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/70244903/pts10_20_on_getting_to_know_hb_charles_jr.mp3" length="22244978" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark sits down with H.B. Charles Jr. to talk about his ministerial journey and how God has used him.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark sits down with H.B. 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Mark and Jonathan talk about the recent disruption that happened at St. Paul Church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How should christians think about protests that stop church services?<br />Mark and Jonathan talk about the recent disruption that happened at St. Paul Church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1263</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On What’s the Most Important Thing About a Church (Ep. 316)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-what-s-the-most-important-thing-about-a-church-ep-316--69514159</link><description><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan talk to Jimmy Scroggins about similarities and difference on how 9Marks' principle apply in a mega church context.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/69514159</guid><pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2026 10:00:19 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/69514159/pts10_15_on_what_s_the_most_important_thing_about_a_church.mp3" length="39447358" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark and Jonathan talk to Jimmy Scroggins about similarities and difference on how 9Marks' principle apply in a mega church context.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan talk to Jimmy Scroggins about similarities and difference on how 9Marks' principle apply in a mega church context.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2466</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Reviewing the Year 2025 (Ep. 315)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-reviewing-the-year-2025-ep-315--68969752</link><description><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan sit down and review this past year by talking about the transition and sharing a top 10 list of things 9Marks did.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68969752</guid><pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2025 10:00:20 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/68969752/pts10_14_on_reviewing_the_year_2025.mp3" length="21643526" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark and Jonathan sit down and review this past year by talking about the transition and sharing a top 10 list of things 9Marks did.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan sit down and review this past year by talking about the transition and sharing a top 10 list of things 9Marks did.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1353</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Fighting Boredom and Repetition (Ep. 314)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-fighting-boredom-and-repetition-ep-314--68827533</link><description><![CDATA[How should people in ministry relate to boredom and the nature of repetition? Mark and Jonathan talk about the good and the concerns on how we relate to those things. <br /><br />You can enter the giveaway at <a href="http://mbts.edu/pastorstalk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">mbts.edu/pastorstalk</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68827533</guid><pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 10:00:18 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/68827533/pts10_13_on_fighting_boredom_and_repetition.mp3" length="21306659" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How should people in ministry relate to boredom and the nature of repetition? Mark and Jonathan talk about the good and the concerns on how we relate to those things. 

You can enter the giveaway at http://mbts.edu/pastorstalk</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How should people in ministry relate to boredom and the nature of repetition? Mark and Jonathan talk about the good and the concerns on how we relate to those things. <br /><br />You can enter the giveaway at <a href="http://mbts.edu/pastorstalk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">mbts.edu/pastorstalk</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1332</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On How to Talk to the Church about the Budget (Ep. 313)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-how-to-talk-to-the-church-about-the-budget-ep-313--68734509</link><description><![CDATA[As a pastor, talking to the church about money and the budget could be difficult for several reasons. In this episode Jonathan and Mark talk to Jamie Dunlop about his experience when he talks to the church about the budget.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68734509</guid><pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2025 10:00:21 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/68734509/pts10_12_on_how_to_talk_to_the_church_about_the_budget.mp3" length="30283179" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>As a pastor, talking to the church about money and the budget could be difficult for several reasons. In this episode Jonathan and Mark talk to Jamie Dunlop about his experience when he talks to the church about the budget.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[As a pastor, talking to the church about money and the budget could be difficult for several reasons. In this episode Jonathan and Mark talk to Jamie Dunlop about his experience when he talks to the church about the budget.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1893</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Weddings (Ep. 312)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-weddings-ep-312--68611335</link><description><![CDATA[Does the Bible require pastors to officiate weddings? How should we think about christian marriage ceremonies? In this episode Mark and Jonathan discuss the practice of weddings.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68611335</guid><pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2025 10:00:18 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/68611335/pts10_11_on_weddings.mp3" length="25886633" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Does the Bible require pastors to officiate weddings? How should we think about christian marriage ceremonies? In this episode Mark and Jonathan discuss the practice of weddings.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Does the Bible require pastors to officiate weddings? How should we think about christian marriage ceremonies? 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After 300 episodes we cover the topic of Congregationalism. Mark and Jonathan discuss the biblical evidence and its helpfulness for the life of the church]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68121538</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2025 09:00:16 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/68121538/pts10_09_on_congregationalism.mp3" length="26792777" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Finally! After 300 episodes we cover the topic of Congregationalism. Mark and Jonathan discuss the biblical evidence and its helpfulness for the life of the church</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Finally! After 300 episodes we cover the topic of Congregationalism. Mark and Jonathan discuss the biblical evidence and its helpfulness for the life of the church]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1675</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Prioritizing Missions in the Church (Ep. 309)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-prioritizing-missions-in-the-church-ep-309--68040514</link><description><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan talk to Aaron and Harshit about their book Prioritizing Missions in the Church and how important it is for the life of the church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/68040514</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2025 09:00:20 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/68040514/pts10_08_on_prioritizing_missions_in_the_church.mp3" length="30669367" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark and Jonathan talk to Aaron and Harshit about their book Prioritizing Missions in the Church and how important it is for the life of the church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan talk to Aaron and Harshit about their book Prioritizing Missions in the Church and how important it is for the life of the church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1917</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Christianity in Brazil (Ep. 308)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-christianity-in-brazil-ep-308--67946928</link><description><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan talk to Vinicius Musselman Pimentel about christianity in Brazil and book publishing.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/67946928</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2025 09:00:17 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/67946928/pts10_07_on_christianity_in_brazil.mp3" length="24645308" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark and Jonathan talk to Vinicius Musselman Pimentel about christianity in Brazil and book publishing.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan talk to Vinicius Musselman Pimentel about christianity in Brazil and book publishing.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1541</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Prison Ministry (Ep. 307)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-prison-ministry-ep-307--67860175</link><description><![CDATA[How is prison ministry done and how does it connect to the local church? 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Subscribe to our new podcast, A Storm in the Desert, here:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Alex Duke and Alberto Jaquez about A Storm in the Desert, a new podcast series by 9Marks.<br /><br />Subscribe to our new podcast, A Storm in the Desert, here: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/podcast/a-storm-in-the-desert/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.9marks.org/podcast/a-storm-in-the-desert/</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1985</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f0ecbdcf8c23c4221863b0e70f3a12fd.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>On Christianity in Indonesia (Ep. 284)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-christianity-in-indonesia-ep-284--63348031</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark 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277)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/on-the-church-in-portugal-with-tiago-oliveira-ep-277--62457620</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Tiago Oliveira, a pastor of First Baptist Church of Lisbon, about the state of Christianity in Lisbon.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/62457620</guid><pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2024 11:37:33 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/62457620/pts09_08_on_the_church_in_portugal.mp3" length="29056447" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Tiago Oliveira, a pastor of First Baptist Church of Lisbon, about the state of Christianity in Lisbon.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Tiago Oliveira, a pastor of First Baptist Church of Lisbon, about the state of Christianity in Lisbon.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1816</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/f27651fc17ede97d57cd51a87564e37c.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 276: On the Importance of Ecclesiology for a Church Plant, with Matt Smethurst</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-276-on-the-importance-of-ecclesiology-for-a-church-plant-with-matt-smethurst--62278921</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Matt Smethurst, a pastor of <a href="https://rivercityrichmond.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">River City Baptist Church</a>, on the importance of ecclesiology for a church plant.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/62278921</guid><pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 09:00:07 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/62278921/pts09_07_on_the_importance_of_ecclesiology_for_a_church_plant_v02.mp3" length="28019517" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Matt Smethurst, a pastor of https://rivercityrichmond.org/, on the importance of ecclesiology for a church plant.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Matt Smethurst, a pastor of <a href="https://rivercityrichmond.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">River City Baptist Church</a>, on the importance of ecclesiology for a church plant.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1752</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 275: On Seasons in a Pastor's Life</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-275-on-seasons-in-a-pastor-s-life--62174546</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about our newest <a href="https://www.9marks.org/journal/seasons-in-a-pastors-life/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Church Matters: Seasons in a Pastor's Life.</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/62174546</guid><pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2024 09:00:08 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/62174546/pts09_06_on_seasons_in_a_pastors_life.mp3" length="27139272" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about our newest https://www.9marks.org/journal/seasons-in-a-pastors-life/</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about our newest <a href="https://www.9marks.org/journal/seasons-in-a-pastors-life/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Church Matters: Seasons in a Pastor's Life.</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1697</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 274: On an Unbelieving Australian’s Journey to Being a Baptist Pastor</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-274-on-an-unbelieving-australian-s-journey-to-being-a-baptist-pastor--62086735</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Grant Borg, pastor of Church of the Risen King Jesus, about his spiritual journey and the state of Christianity in Australia.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/62086735</guid><pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2024 09:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/62086735/pts09_05_on_an_unbelieving_australian_s_journey_to_being_a_baptist_pastor.mp3" length="33588837" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Grant Borg, pastor of Church of the Risen King Jesus, about his spiritual journey and the state of Christianity in Australia.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Grant Borg, pastor of Church of the Risen King Jesus, about his spiritual journey and the state of Christianity in Australia.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2100</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 273: On Youth Ministry, with Mark Feather and Alex Duke</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-273-on-youth-ministry-with-mark-feather-and-alex-duke--61889822</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Mark Feather and Alex Duke about how to lead youth group with the whole church in mind.<br /><br /><b>Related resources: </b><br />– <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/our-main-goals-for-youth-ministry/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Our Main Goals for Youth Ministry</a><br />– <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/youth-ministry-and-the-rise-and-triumph-of-the-modern-self/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Youth Ministry and the Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self</a><br />– <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/lgbtq-policies-what-do-we-do-about-youth-group/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">LGBTQ+ Policies: What Do We Do about Youth Group?</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/61889822</guid><pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:00:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/61889822/pts09_04_on_youth_ministry.mp3" length="33487642" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Mark Feather and Alex Duke about how to lead youth group with the whole church in mind.

Related resources: 
– https://www.9marks.org/article/our-main-goals-for-youth-ministry/...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Mark Feather and Alex Duke about how to lead youth group with the whole church in mind.<br /><br /><b>Related resources: </b><br />– <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/our-main-goals-for-youth-ministry/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Our Main Goals for Youth Ministry</a><br />– <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/youth-ministry-and-the-rise-and-triumph-of-the-modern-self/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Youth Ministry and the Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self</a><br />– <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/lgbtq-policies-what-do-we-do-about-youth-group/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">LGBTQ+ Policies: What Do We Do about Youth Group?</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2093</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 272: On Christianity in Kazakhstan, with Dennis Boris</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-272-on-christianity-in-kazakhstan-with-dennis-boris--61317768</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Dennis Boris, a pastor of Almaty Bible Church in Kazakhstan, about the state of Christianity and local churches.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/61317768</guid><pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2024 09:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/61317768/pts09_03_on_christianity_in_kazakhstan.mp3" length="44716167" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Dennis Boris, a pastor of Almaty Bible Church in Kazakhstan, about the state of Christianity and local churches.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Dennis Boris, a pastor of Almaty Bible Church in Kazakhstan, about the state of Christianity and local churches.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1819</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 271: On ACME, with Aaron Menikoff, Greg Gilbert, Juan Sanchez, and Sebastian Traeger</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-271-on-acme-with-aaron-menikoff-greg-gilbert-juan-sanchez-and-sebastian-traeger--61246671</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Aaron Menikoff, Greg Gilbert, Juan Sanchez, and Sebastian Traeger about a new network of like-minded churches: <a href="https://acmefellowship.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">the ACME Fellowship</a>.<br /><br /><br />Check out <a href="https://acmefellowship.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ACMEfellowship.org</a> for more information.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/61246671</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/61246671/pts09_02_on_acme.mp3" length="41785053" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Aaron Menikoff, Greg Gilbert, Juan Sanchez, and Sebastian Traeger about a new network of like-minded churches: https://acmefellowship.org/.


Check out https://acmefellowship.org/ for more...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Aaron Menikoff, Greg Gilbert, Juan Sanchez, and Sebastian Traeger about a new network of like-minded churches: <a href="https://acmefellowship.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">the ACME Fellowship</a>.<br /><br /><br />Check out <a href="https://acmefellowship.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ACMEfellowship.org</a> for more information.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1699</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 270: On Pastoral Transition, with Phil Newton and Bob Johnson</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-270-on-pastoral-transition-with-phil-newton-and-bob-johnson--61166377</link><description><![CDATA[Pastors Talk is back for season 9! In this episode, Jonathan Leeman interviews Phil Newton and Bob Johnson about pastoral transition and retirement.<br /><br /><b>Related Resources:</b><br /><br /><b>Articles:</b> <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/preparing-pastors-for-retirement/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Preparing Pastors for Retirement</a> by Brad Thayer, <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/retiring-from-ministry/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">There’s No Such Thing as “Retiring” From Ministry</a> by David Gough<br /><br /><b>Journal:</b> <a href="https://www.9marks.org/journal/seasons-in-a-pastors-life/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Seasons in a Pastor's Life</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/61166377</guid><pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2024 11:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/61166377/pts09_01_on_pastoral_transition.mp3" length="45699538" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Pastors Talk is back for season 9! In this episode, Jonathan Leeman interviews Phil Newton and Bob Johnson about pastoral transition and retirement.

Related Resources:

Articles: https://www.9marks.org/article/preparing-pastors-for-retirement/ by...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Pastors Talk is back for season 9! In this episode, Jonathan Leeman interviews Phil Newton and Bob Johnson about pastoral transition and retirement.<br /><br /><b>Related Resources:</b><br /><br /><b>Articles:</b> <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/preparing-pastors-for-retirement/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Preparing Pastors for Retirement</a> by Brad Thayer, <a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/retiring-from-ministry/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">There’s No Such Thing as “Retiring” From Ministry</a> by David Gough<br /><br /><b>Journal:</b> <a href="https://www.9marks.org/journal/seasons-in-a-pastors-life/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Seasons in a Pastor's Life</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1861</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 269: On The (Not-So-Secret) Secret to Reaching the Next Generation with Kevin DeYoung</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-269-on-the-not-so-secret-secret-to-reaching-the-next-generation-with-kevin-deyoung--60194048</link><description><![CDATA[Many pastors rightly desire to reach the next generation. But how should they?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Kevin DeYoung on his new book, <a href="https://www.crossway.org/books/the-not-so-secret-secret-to-reaching-the-nex-tpb/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The (Not-So-Secret) Secret to Reaching the Next Generation</a><br /><br />]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/60194048</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 09:00:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/60194048/pts08_31_on_the_not_so_secret_secret_to_reaching_the_next_generation.mp3" length="48056909" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Many pastors rightly desire to reach the next generation. But how should they?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Kevin DeYoung on his new book, https://www.crossway.org/books/the-not-so-secret-secret-to-reaching-the-nex-tpb/</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Many pastors rightly desire to reach the next generation. But how should they?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Kevin DeYoung on his new book, <a href="https://www.crossway.org/books/the-not-so-secret-secret-to-reaching-the-nex-tpb/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The (Not-So-Secret) Secret to Reaching the Next Generation</a><br /><br />]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>3004</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 268: On Preparing to Plant with Jeri Choi, Welton Bonner, and Bobby Jamieson</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-268-on-preparing-to-plant-with-jeri-choi-welton-bonner-and-bobby-jamieson--60111662</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Jeri Choi, Welton Bonner, and Bobby Jamieson about preparing to plant a church.<br /><br />]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/60111662</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2024 12:42:55 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/60111662/pts08_30_on_preparing_to_plant.mp3" length="36515762" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Jeri Choi, Welton Bonner, and Bobby Jamieson about preparing to plant a church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Jeri Choi, Welton Bonner, and Bobby Jamieson about preparing to plant a church.<br /><br />]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2283</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>christian,church,pastor,plant</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 267: On Biblical Covenants, with Bobby Jamieson</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-267-on-biblical-covenants-with-bobby-jamieson--59717432</link><description><![CDATA[What covenant is the new covenant replacing? If your answer is the old covenant, what do you mean?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Bobby Jamieson about the implications of biblical covenants in a local church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59717432</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2024 09:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/59717432/pts08_29_on_biblical_covenants.mp3" length="20649195" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What covenant is the new covenant replacing? If your answer is the old covenant, what do you mean?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Bobby Jamieson about the implications of biblical covenants in a local church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What covenant is the new covenant replacing? If your answer is the old covenant, what do you mean?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Bobby Jamieson about the implications of biblical covenants in a local church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1291</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>biblical,christian,church,covenants,dever,pastor</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 266: On Raising Up Associate Pastors, with Bobby Jamieson, Mark Feather, and Deepak Reju</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-266-on-raising-up-associate-pastors-with-bobby-jamieson-mark-feather-and-deepak-reju--59717463</link><description><![CDATA[What makes a good associate pastor? How can he complement a senior pastor’s weaknesses and extend his strengths?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Deepak Reju, Bobby Jamieson, and Mark Feather about their experience as associate pastors.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59717463</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:00:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/59717463/pts08_28_on_raising_up_associate_pastors.mp3" length="34725234" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What makes a good associate pastor? How can he complement a senior pastor’s weaknesses and extend his strengths?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Deepak Reju, Bobby Jamieson, and Mark Feather about their experience as...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What makes a good associate pastor? How can he complement a senior pastor’s weaknesses and extend his strengths?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Deepak Reju, Bobby Jamieson, and Mark Feather about their experience as associate pastors.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2171</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 265: On Pastoring Frustrated Sheep</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-265-on-pastoring-frustrated-sheep--59608040</link><description><![CDATA[Pastors are called to lead their sheep, even the frustrated ones.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about how pastors should care for frustrated sheep in the church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59608040</guid><pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/59608040/pts08_27_on_pastoring_frustrated_sheep.mp3" length="25543087" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Pastors are called to lead their sheep, even the frustrated ones.

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about how pastors should care for frustrated sheep in the church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Pastors are called to lead their sheep, even the frustrated ones.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about how pastors should care for frustrated sheep in the church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1597</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 264: On the Doctrine of the Trinity, with Bobby Jamieson and Mark Feather</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-264-on-the-doctrine-of-the-trinity-with-bobby-jamieson-and-mark-feather--59481964</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interview Bobby Jamieson and Mark Feather about why pastors should care about studying the doctrine of the Trinity.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59481964</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:00:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/59481964/pts08_26_on_the_doctrine_of_the_trinity.mp3" length="30676045" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interview Bobby Jamieson and Mark Feather about why pastors should care about studying the doctrine of the Trinity.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interview Bobby Jamieson and Mark Feather about why pastors should care about studying the doctrine of the Trinity.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1918</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 263: On When You and Your Boss Have Different Philosophies of Ministry</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-263-on-when-you-and-your-boss-have-different-philosophies-of-ministry--59176013</link><description><![CDATA[What should you do when you disagree with your boss? Should you stay or leave? What are disagreeable philosophies of ministry? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about what you should do when you disagree with your boss.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59176013</guid><pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 09:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/59176013/pts08_25_on_when_you_and_your_boss_have_different_philosophies_of_ministry.mp3" length="43544914" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What should you do when you disagree with your boss? Should you stay or leave? What are disagreeable philosophies of ministry? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about what you should do when you disagree with your boss.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What should you do when you disagree with your boss? Should you stay or leave? What are disagreeable philosophies of ministry? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about what you should do when you disagree with your boss.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1778</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Counseling Talk—Episode 1: On Counseling Talk</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/counseling-talk-episode-1-on-counseling-talk--59171033</link><description><![CDATA[Counseling Talk is here!<br /><br />In this episode, Jonathan Leeman interviews the hosts—Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell—about the what and why of Counseling Talk.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59171033</guid><pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2024 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/59171033/cts01_01_on_counseling_talk.mp3" length="48843881" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Counseling Talk is here!

In this episode, Jonathan Leeman interviews the hosts—Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell—about the what and why of Counseling Talk.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Counseling Talk is here!<br /><br />In this episode, Jonathan Leeman interviews the hosts—Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell—about the what and why of Counseling Talk.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2022</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/6d4078c0772d27c254e8ea6e150e89f7.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 262: On Children's Ministry (Part 2), with Connie Dever</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-262-on-children-s-ministry-part-2-with-connie-dever--59096476</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Connie Dever about children's ministry.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59096476</guid><pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2024 09:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/59096476/pts08_24_on_children_s_ministry_part_2.mp3" length="53236994" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Connie Dever about children's ministry.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Connie Dever about children's ministry.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2179</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 261: On Children's Ministry (Part 1), with Connie Dever</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-261-on-children-s-ministry-part-1-with-connie-dever--59011431</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Connie Dever about children's ministry in a local church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/59011431</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2024 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/59011431/pts08_23_on_children_s_ministry_part_1.mp3" length="35673684" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Connie Dever about children's ministry in a local church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Connie Dever about children's ministry in a local church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1449</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 260: On Residential or Online Seminary?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-260-on-residential-or-online-seminary--58927861</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about seminary training.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/58927861</guid><pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 10:00:01 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/58927861/pts08_22_on_residential_or_online_seminary.mp3" length="42059168" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about seminary training.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about seminary training.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1716</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 259: On Corporate Application in Preaching, with Cheston Pickard</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-259-on-corporate-application-in-preaching-with-cheston-pickard--58843394</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Cheston Pickard, a pastor in Louisville, about corporate applications in preaching.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/58843394</guid><pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/58843394/pts08_21_on_corporate_application_in_preaching_mp3.mp3" length="38942878" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Cheston Pickard, a pastor in Louisville, about corporate applications in preaching.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Cheston Pickard, a pastor in Louisville, about corporate applications in preaching.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1587</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 258: On When May a Congregation Vote Against its Elders, with Jamie Dunlop</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-258-on-when-may-a-congregation-vote-against-its-elders-with-jamie-dunlop--58747112</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Jamie Dunlop about when a congregation should vote against its elders.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/58747112</guid><pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/58747112/pts08_20_on_when_may_a_congregation_vote_against_its_elders.mp3" length="38678446" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Jamie Dunlop about when a congregation should vote against its elders.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Jamie Dunlop about when a congregation should vote against its elders.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1575</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 257: On Congregational Singing</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-257-on-congregational-singing--58669684</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about congregational singing in a local church. <br /><ul><li>Why do Christians sing?</li><li>What kinds of songs should we sing at church?</li><li>What is congregational singing?</li><li>What does Colossians 3:16 mean?</li><li>How can I help my church to sing?</li></ul>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/58669684</guid><pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2024 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/58669684/pts08_19_on_congregational_singing.mp3" length="47448649" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about congregational singing in a local church. 

- Why do Christians sing?
- What kinds of songs should we sing at church?
- What is congregational singing?
- What does Colossians...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about congregational singing in a local church. <br /><ul><li>Why do Christians sing?</li><li>What kinds of songs should we sing at church?</li><li>What is congregational singing?</li><li>What does Colossians 3:16 mean?</li><li>How can I help my church to sing?</li></ul>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1941</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 256: On Leadership and Church Size Dynamics</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-256-on-leadership-and-church-size-dynamics--58582136</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interact with Tim Keller's article, "Leadership and Church Size Dynamics"<br /><ul><li>Tips for leading my church well</li><li>What program should I start in my church?</li><li>How can I lead my church staff well?</li><li>What kind of leadership skill should pastors have?</li><li>What are some problems that small churches face?</li><li>What are some problems that big churches face?</li></ul>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/58582136</guid><pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2024 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/58582136/pts08_18_on_leadership_and_church_size_dynamics.mp3" length="53761637" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interact with Tim Keller's article, "Leadership and Church Size Dynamics"

- Tips for leading my church well
- What program should I start in my church?
- How can I lead my church staff...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interact with Tim Keller's article, "Leadership and Church Size Dynamics"<br /><ul><li>Tips for leading my church well</li><li>What program should I start in my church?</li><li>How can I lead my church staff well?</li><li>What kind of leadership skill should pastors have?</li><li>What are some problems that small churches face?</li><li>What are some problems that big churches face?</li></ul>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2205</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 255: On Transcendence</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-255-on-transcendence--58491422</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about transcendence in worship services.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/58491422</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/58491422/pts08_17_on_transcendence.mp3" length="44510661" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about transcendence in worship services.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about transcendence in worship services.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1819</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 254: On Interacting After Church Discipline</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-254-on-interacting-after-church-discipline--58412435</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about how we should interact with church disciplined members.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/58412435</guid><pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2024 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/58412435/pts08_16_on_interacting_after_discipline.mp3" length="44764589" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about how we should interact with church disciplined members.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about how we should interact with church disciplined members.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1829</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 253: On Criteria for Church Discipline</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-253-on-criteria-for-church-discipline--58316273</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about different criteria for discipline.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/58316273</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/58316273/pts08_15_on_criteria_for_church_discipline.mp3" length="37941999" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about different criteria for discipline.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about different criteria for discipline.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1545</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 252: On Catholicity</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-252-on-catholicity--57919075</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about the newest 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In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever interviews Jamie Dunlop about his...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[If your church is centered on Christ alone, unity will sometimes involve building genuine friendships with Christians with whom you honestly don't share much in common. <br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever interviews Jamie Dunlop about his new book, Love the Ones Who Drive You Crazy.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1624</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 250: On Statements of Faith</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-250-on-statements-of-faith--57749272</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about the role and the importance of statements of faith.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/57749272</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2023 14:38:22 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/57749272/pts08_11_on_statements_of_faith.mp3" length="52718041" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about the role and the importance of statements of faith.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about the role and the importance of statements of faith.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1620</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 249: On Church Covenants</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-249-on-church-covenants--57625898</link><description><![CDATA[What's the history behind church covenants? Do they have more or less authority than the Bible? Is having a church covenant abusive? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about church covenants.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/57625898</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/57625898/pts08_10_on_church_covenants.mp3" length="49730845" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What's the history behind church covenants? Do they have more or less authority than the Bible? Is having a church covenant abusive? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about church covenants.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What's the history behind church covenants? Do they have more or less authority than the Bible? Is having a church covenant abusive? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about church covenants.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1527</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 248: On Words</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-248-on-words--57537964</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talks about the importance of words in pastoral ministry.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/57537964</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2023 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/57537964/pts08_09_on_words.mp3" length="51390650" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talks about the importance of words in pastoral ministry.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talks about the importance of words in pastoral ministry.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1579</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 247: On Shepherding the Pastor (with Phil Newton and Rich Shadden)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-247-on-shepherding-the-pastor-with-phil-newton-and-rich-shadden--57451168</link><description><![CDATA[Young pastors often have clear vision but little depth perception. From the interview phase to what to preach next, young pastors need guidance from older pastors around the area to offer wisdom and guidance.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Phil Newton and Rich Shadden, authors of Shepherding the Pastor.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/57451168</guid><pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/57451168/pts08_07_on_shepherding_the_pastor.mp3" length="46515960" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Young pastors often have clear vision but little depth perception. From the interview phase to what to preach next, young pastors need guidance from older pastors around the area to offer wisdom and guidance.

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Young pastors often have clear vision but little depth perception. From the interview phase to what to preach next, young pastors need guidance from older pastors around the area to offer wisdom and guidance.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat with Phil Newton and Rich Shadden, authors of Shepherding the Pastor.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1427</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 246: On Planting by Pastoring (with Nathan Knight)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-246-on-planting-by-pastoring-with-nathan-knight--57038428</link><description><![CDATA[In this Pastors Talk episode, Mark and Jonathan interview Nathan Knight, one of the pastors at Restoration Church in Washington, D.C.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/57038428</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2023 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/57038428/pts08_07_on_planting_by_pastoring.mp3" length="58668283" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this Pastors Talk episode, Mark and Jonathan interview Nathan Knight, one of the pastors at Restoration Church in Washington, D.C.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this Pastors Talk episode, Mark and Jonathan interview Nathan Knight, one of the pastors at Restoration Church in Washington, D.C.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1807</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 245: On Pastoral, Public Tone (with Kevin DeYoung)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-245-on-pastoral-public-tone-with-kevin-deyoung--56848962</link><description><![CDATA[In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan interviews Mark and Kevin DeYoung on pastoral, public tone.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56848962</guid><pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/56848962/pts08_06_on_pastoral_public_tone.mp3" length="56978976" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan interviews Mark and Kevin DeYoung on pastoral, public tone.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan interviews Mark and Kevin DeYoung on pastoral, public tone.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1754</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 244: On Authority</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-244-on-authority--56775833</link><description><![CDATA[Dr. Leeman is in the hot seat! In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark interviews Jonathan about his new book, Authority, and how Christians should wield authority.<br /><br /><a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/collections/new-releases/products/authority" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Authority by Jonathan Leeman</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56775833</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2023 13:19:19 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/56775833/pts08_05_on_authority.mp3" length="30355452" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Dr. Leeman is in the hot seat! In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark interviews Jonathan about his new book, Authority, and how Christians should wield authority.

https://9marks.myshopify.com/collections/new-releases/products/authority</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Dr. Leeman is in the hot seat! In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark interviews Jonathan about his new book, Authority, and how Christians should wield authority.<br /><br /><a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/collections/new-releases/products/authority" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Authority by Jonathan Leeman</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1898</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 243: On Pastoring (with Bart Barber)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-243-on-pastoring-with-bart-barber--56621666</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk with Bart Barber, the President of the Southern Baptist Convention, about pastoring.]]></description><guid 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Titles</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-242-on-staffing-titles--56551490</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat about staffing titles in the church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56551490</guid><pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/56551490/pts08_03_on_staffing_titles.mp3" length="20699765" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat about staffing titles in the church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat about staffing titles in the church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1294</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image 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Mark and Jonathan talk about how to disagree with your pastor.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1632</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 240: On Friendship with God (with Mike McKinley)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-240-on-friendship-with-god-with-mike-mckinley--56403660</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan interview Mike McKinley about his new book, Friendship with God: A Path to Deeper Fellowship with the Father, Son, and Spirit]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/56403660</guid><pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2023 13:54:33 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/56403660/pts08_01_on_friendship_with_god.mp3" length="23292370" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan interview Mike McKinley about his new book, Friendship with God: A Path to Deeper Fellowship with the Father, Son, and Spirit</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan interview Mike McKinley about his new book, Friendship with God: A Path to Deeper Fellowship with the Father, Son, and Spirit]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1456</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 239: On A New Christian Authoritarianism?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-239-on-a-new-christian-authoritarianism--54048464</link><description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago, we published a new edition of Church Matters—formerly known as the 9Marks Journal—that addresses a few unusual topics: Christian nationalism, theonomy, and magisterial Protestantism.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever explain why.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/54048464</guid><pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2023 09:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/54048464/pts07_29_on_a_new_christian_authoritarianism.mp3" length="23011515" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>A few weeks ago, we published a new edition of Church Matters—formerly known as the 9Marks Journal—that addresses a few unusual topics: Christian nationalism, theonomy, and magisterial Protestantism.

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[A few weeks ago, we published a new edition of Church Matters—formerly known as the 9Marks Journal—that addresses a few unusual topics: Christian nationalism, theonomy, and magisterial Protestantism.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever explain why.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1439</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 238: On American Exceptionalism (with John Wilsey)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-238-on-american-exceptionalism-with-john-wilsey--53966429</link><description><![CDATA[How should a Christian think about patriotism? Why should pastors especially be careful of both nostalgia and cynicism?<br /> <br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with SBTS professor John D. Wilsey about all these questions and more.<br />]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/53966429</guid><pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/53966429/pts07_28_on_american_exceptionalism.mp3" length="31041337" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How should a Christian think about patriotism? Why should pastors especially be careful of both nostalgia and cynicism?
 
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with SBTS professor John D. Wilsey about all these questions and more.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How should a Christian think about patriotism? Why should pastors especially be careful of both nostalgia and cynicism?<br /> <br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with SBTS professor John D. Wilsey about all these questions and more.<br />]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1941</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 237: On Having Difficult Conversations</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-237-on-having-difficult-conversations--53882767</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about this under-reported aspect of a pastor's job description.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/53882767</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2023 09:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/53882767/pts07_27_on_having_difficult_conversations.mp3" length="32117171" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about this under-reported aspect of a pastor's job description.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about this under-reported aspect of a pastor's job description.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2008</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 236: On Is Hell Real (with Dane Ortlund)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-236-on-is-hell-real-with-dane-ortlund--53637485</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/53637485</guid><pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2023 13:07:22 +0000</pubDate><enclosure 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Reju)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-233-on-charges-of-domestic-abuse-with-deepak-reju--53435504</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Deepak Reju about pastoral responses to domestic abuse.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/53435504</guid><pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 09:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/53435504/pts07_23_on_charges_of_domestic_abuse.mp3" length="19862603" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Deepak Reju about pastoral responses to domestic abuse.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Deepak Reju about pastoral responses to domestic abuse.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1242</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 232: On Reaching and Mobilizing College Students (with Matt Schmucker and Paul Billings)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-232-on-reaching-and-mobilizing-college-students-with-matt-schmucker-and-paul-billings--53361787</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk with Matt Schmucker and Paul Billings about reaching, discipling, and mobilizing college students for missions.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/53361787</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/53361787/pts07_22_on_reaching_and_mobilizing_college_students.mp3" length="25834001" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk with Matt Schmucker and Paul Billings about reaching, discipling, and mobilizing college students for missions.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk with Matt Schmucker and Paul Billings about reaching, discipling, and mobilizing college students for missions.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1615</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 231: On the Lord's Supper - Nuts and Bolts (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-231-on-the-lord-s-supper-nuts-and-bolts-with-bobby-jamieson--53276082</link><description><![CDATA[It's clear in Scripture: local churches should celebrate the Lord's Supper. But there's a lot about these celebrations that is up to us to decide. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark and Bobby a ton of rapid-fire questions about the Lord's Supper.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/53276082</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/53276082/pts07_21_on_the_lord_s_supper_nuts_and_bolts.mp3" length="21867561" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>It's clear in Scripture: local churches should celebrate the Lord's Supper. But there's a lot about these celebrations that is up to us to decide. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark and Bobby a ton of rapid-fire questions about the...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[It's clear in Scripture: local churches should celebrate the Lord's Supper. But there's a lot about these celebrations that is up to us to decide. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark and Bobby a ton of rapid-fire questions about the Lord's Supper.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1367</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 230: On Christian Publishing in Africa (with Tommie van der Walt)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-230-on-christian-publishing-in-africa-with-tommie-van-der-walt--53204274</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Tommie van der Walt about the state of Christian publishing in South Africa.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/53204274</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2023 22:35:53 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/53204274/pts07_20_on_christian_publishing_in_africa.mp3" length="18603715" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Tommie van der Walt about the state of Christian publishing in South Africa.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Tommie van der Walt about the state of Christian publishing in South Africa.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1163</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 229: On Green Dot and Red Dot Churches</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-229-on-green-dot-and-red-dot-churches--53116570</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan and Mark talk about “red-dot churches” and “green-dot churches.”<br /><br />Related Resources:<br /><ul><li>“<a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/discipling-how-to-help-others-follow-jesus?_pos=1&amp;_sid=3f361105a&amp;_ss=r" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Discipling</a>” by Mark Dever</li><li>“<a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/evangelism-by-j-mack-stiles?_pos=1&amp;_sid=80a4a79c0&amp;_ss=r" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Evangelism</a>” by Mack Stiles</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/journalelders-churchs-lead-disciple-makers/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Elders–The Church’s Lead Disciple-Makers</a>” by Jeramie Rinne</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/a-foolproof-discipling-program-corporate-worship/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A Foolproof Discipling Program: Corporate Worship</a>” by John Sarver</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/message/cultivating-a-culture-of-discipling/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Cultivating a Culture of Discipling</a>” by Mark Dever (video)</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/answer/how-can-i-church-leader-help-cultivate-culture-discipleship/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">How can I as a church leader help cultivate a culture of discipleship?</a>“</li></ul>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/53116570</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2023 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/53116570/pts07_19_on_green_dot_and_red_dot_churches.mp3" length="21594631" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan and Mark talk about “red-dot churches” and “green-dot churches.”

Related Resources:

- “https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/discipling-how-to-help-others-follow-jesus?_pos=1&amp;amp;_sid=3f361105a&amp;amp;_ss=r” by...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan and Mark talk about “red-dot churches” and “green-dot churches.”<br /><br />Related Resources:<br /><ul><li>“<a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/discipling-how-to-help-others-follow-jesus?_pos=1&amp;_sid=3f361105a&amp;_ss=r" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Discipling</a>” by Mark Dever</li><li>“<a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/evangelism-by-j-mack-stiles?_pos=1&amp;_sid=80a4a79c0&amp;_ss=r" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Evangelism</a>” by Mack Stiles</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/journalelders-churchs-lead-disciple-makers/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Elders–The Church’s Lead Disciple-Makers</a>” by Jeramie Rinne</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/a-foolproof-discipling-program-corporate-worship/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A Foolproof Discipling Program: Corporate Worship</a>” by John Sarver</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/message/cultivating-a-culture-of-discipling/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Cultivating a Culture of Discipling</a>” by Mark Dever (video)</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/answer/how-can-i-church-leader-help-cultivate-culture-discipleship/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">How can I as a church leader help cultivate a culture of discipleship?</a>“</li></ul>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1350</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 228: On Caring for Missionaries (with Miller Johnson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-228-on-caring-for-missionaries-with-miller-johnson--52872515</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about how churches should care for their missionaries.<br /><br /><i></i><br />Mentioned Resource:<br /><ul><li>“<a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/missions?_pos=1&amp;_sid=1aabbc627&amp;_ss=r" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Missions</a>” by Andy Johnson</li></ul>Related Resources:<br /><ul><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/conversations/on-funding-missions-pastors-talk-ep-220/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">On Funding Missionaries</a>” by Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Tyler Markson</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/stop-sending-missionaries-why-more-isnt-always-better/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Stop Sending Missionaries: Why More Isn’t Always Better</a>” by Steve Jennings</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/six-principles-for-funding-foreign-missions/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Seven Principles for Funding Foreign Missions</a>” by Tyler Markson</li><li>“<a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/how-can-i-support-international-missions?_pos=9&amp;_sid=1aabbc627&amp;_ss=r" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">How Can I Support International Missions?</a>” by Mark Collins</li></ul>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52872515</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/52872515/pts07_18_on_caring_for_missionaries.mp3" length="28603799" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about how churches should care for their missionaries.


Mentioned Resource:

- “https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/missions?_pos=1&amp;amp;_sid=1aabbc627&amp;amp;_ss=r” by Andy Johnson...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about how churches should care for their missionaries.<br /><br /><i></i><br />Mentioned Resource:<br /><ul><li>“<a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/missions?_pos=1&amp;_sid=1aabbc627&amp;_ss=r" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Missions</a>” by Andy Johnson</li></ul>Related Resources:<br /><ul><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/conversations/on-funding-missions-pastors-talk-ep-220/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">On Funding Missionaries</a>” by Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Tyler Markson</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/stop-sending-missionaries-why-more-isnt-always-better/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Stop Sending Missionaries: Why More Isn’t Always Better</a>” by Steve Jennings</li><li>“<a href="https://www.9marks.org/article/six-principles-for-funding-foreign-missions/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Seven Principles for Funding Foreign Missions</a>” by Tyler Markson</li><li>“<a href="https://9marks.myshopify.com/products/how-can-i-support-international-missions?_pos=9&amp;_sid=1aabbc627&amp;_ss=r" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">How Can I Support International Missions?</a>” by Mark Collins</li></ul>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1788</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 227: On The Fear of Man</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-227-on-the-fear-of-man--52796576</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52796576</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/52796576/pts07_17_on_the_fear_of_man.mp3" length="23796843" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1488</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 226: On Asking Deacons What They Do (with Grayson Bishop, Mathew Freeman, Jen Kim, and Rebeca Roberts)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-226-on-asking-deacons-what-they-do-with-grayson-bishop-mathew-freeman-jen-kim-and-rebeca-roberts--52723440</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52723440</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/52723440/pts07_16_on_asking_deacons_what_they_do.mp3" length="27575624" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1724</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 225: On Beauty and Creativity in the Church (with Thomas Terry)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-225-on-beauty-and-creativity-in-the-church-with-thomas-terry--52656577</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52656577</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2023 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/52656577/pts07_15_on_beauty_and_creativity_in_the_church.mp3" length="22104965" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1382</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 224: On Why New Testament Polity Is Prescriptive (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-224-on-why-new-testament-polity-is-prescriptive-with-bobby-jamieson--52590784</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52590784</guid><pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2023 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/52590784/pts07_14_on_why_new_testament_polity_is_prescriptive.mp3" length="29421762" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1839</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 223: On Shepherding after a Pastors Moral Failure (with Thomas Terry)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-223-on-shepherding-after-a-pastors-moral-failure-with-thomas-terry--52524238</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52524238</guid><pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2023 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/52524238/pts07_13_on_shepherding_after_a_pastors_moral_failure.mp3" length="23795200" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1488</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 222: On Humor (with Ben Lacey)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-222-on-humor-with-ben-lacey--52459656</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52459656</guid><pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2023 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/52459656/pts07_12_on_humor.mp3" length="27997740" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1750</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 221: On Elder Selection Process (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-221-on-elder-selection-process-with-bobby-jamieson--52169918</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52169918</guid><pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2022 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/52169918/pts07_11_on_elder_selection_process.mp3" length="27059022" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1692</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/e03fb4a2c660ddd57653807e487ff763.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 220: On Funding Missions</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-220-on-funding-missions--52106144</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/52106144</guid><pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2022 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure 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In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Alex Duke about how this topic is more important than you think. ]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1525</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 197: On Discipling Your Elders</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-197-on-discipling-your-elders--48738902</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about several practical ways elders can disciple other elders.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/48738902</guid><pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:36:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/48738902/pts06_22_on_discipling_your_elders_v02.mp3" length="24837568" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about several practical ways elders can disciple other elders.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about several practical ways elders can disciple other elders.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1553</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 196: On "No Shortcut to Success" Part 1 (with Matt Rhodes)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-196-on-no-shortcut-to-success-part-1-with-matt-rhodes--48637056</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan and Mark chat with Matt Rhodes, the author of "No Shortcut to Success: A Manifesto for Modern Missions."<br /><br />They discuss rapidity in missions and whether or not missionaries should be “professionals.”]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/48637056</guid><pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:05:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/48637056/pts06_21_on_no_shortcut_to_success_part_1.mp3" length="26689552" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan and Mark chat with Matt Rhodes, the author of "No Shortcut to Success: A Manifesto for Modern Missions."&#13;
&#13;
They discuss rapidity in missions and whether or not missionaries should be “professionals.”</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan and Mark chat with Matt Rhodes, the author of "No Shortcut to Success: A Manifesto for Modern Missions."<br /><br />They discuss rapidity in missions and whether or not missionaries should be “professionals.”]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1669</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,commission,dever,field,great,mark,matt,mission,missionaries,missions,pastors,rhodes,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 195: On Wisdom for New Pastors (with Bob Johnson, Omar Johnson, and Sam Emadi)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-195-on-wisdom-for-new-pastors-with-bob-johnson-omar-johnson-and-sam-emadi--48532778</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, two pastors—Bob Johnson and Omar Johnson—offer some counsel to a brand-new pastor, Sam Emadi.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/48532778</guid><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 08:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/48532778/pts06_20_on_pastoral_wisdom_to_new_pastors.mp3" length="22969299" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, two pastors—Bob Johnson and Omar Johnson—offer some counsel to a brand-new pastor, Sam Emadi.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, two pastors—Bob Johnson and Omar Johnson—offer some counsel to a brand-new pastor, Sam Emadi.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1436</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>pastoral,pastoring,pastors,talk,wisdom</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 194: On How the Puritans Shaped Mark's Ministry</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-194-on-how-the-puritans-shaped-mark-s-ministry--48436760</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about who the Puritans are and how they’ve shaped his ministry.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/48436760</guid><pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:39:47 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/48436760/pts06_19_on_how_the_puritans_shaped_mark_s_ministry.mp3" length="26337223" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about who the Puritans are and how they’ve shaped his ministry.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about who the Puritans are and how they’ve shaped his ministry.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1647</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>pastoral,pastor's,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 193: On Top 2021 News Stories for Pastors (with Collin Hansen &amp; Garrett Kell)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-193-on-top-2021-news-stories-for-pastors-with-collin-hansen-garrett-kell--48006031</link><description><![CDATA[Last week, Collin Hansen reflected on the top stories of last year. So we had him and Garrett Kell on this episode of Pastors Talk to think through each of these stories pastorally.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/48006031</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2021 04:29:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/48006031/pts06_18_on_top_2021_news_stories_for_pastors.mp3" length="34986046" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Last week, Collin Hansen reflected on the top stories of last year. So we had him and Garrett Kell on this episode of Pastors Talk to think through each of these stories pastorally.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Last week, Collin Hansen reflected on the top stories of last year. So we had him and Garrett Kell on this episode of Pastors Talk to think through each of these stories pastorally.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2187</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 192: On Pastoral Ministry in Post-Christian Sweden (with Johnny Lithell, Ben Lacey, and Caleb Morell)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-192-on-pastoral-ministry-in-post-christian-sweden-with-johnny-lithell-ben-lacey-and-caleb-morell--47916839</link><description><![CDATA[Mark Dever, Caleb Morell, and Ben Lacey chat with Swedish pastor Johnny Lithell about the ups and downs of ministry in a place with so few Christians.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47916839</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:47:59 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47916839/pts06_17_on_pastoral_ministry_in_post_christian_sweden.mp3" length="22369539" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark Dever, Caleb Morell, and Ben Lacey chat with Swedish pastor Johnny Lithell about the ups and downs of ministry in a place with so few Christians.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark Dever, Caleb Morell, and Ben Lacey chat with Swedish pastor Johnny Lithell about the ups and downs of ministry in a place with so few Christians.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1399</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,pastoring,pastors,sweden</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 191: On Pastoral Patience - Part 2 (with John Folmar &amp; Josh Manley)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-191-on-pastoral-patience-part-2-with-john-folmar-josh-manley--47818227</link><description><![CDATA[In a previous episode, Jonathan Leeman chatted with Mark Dever, Josh Manley, and John Folmar about the value of pastoral patience.<br /><br />In this follow-up episode, they discuss how a pastor can slowly change things in a church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47818227</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 11:57:56 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47818227/pts06_16_on_pastoral_patience_part_2.mp3" length="22603160" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In a previous episode, Jonathan Leeman chatted with Mark Dever, Josh Manley, and John Folmar about the value of pastoral patience.

In this follow-up episode, they discuss how a pastor can slowly change things in a church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In a previous episode, Jonathan Leeman chatted with Mark Dever, Josh Manley, and John Folmar about the value of pastoral patience.<br /><br />In this follow-up episode, they discuss how a pastor can slowly change things in a church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1413</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,pastoral,pastoring,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 190: On Pastoral Patience - Part 1 (with John Folmar &amp; Josh Manley)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-190-on-pastoral-patience-part-1-with-john-folmar-josh-manley--47719864</link><description><![CDATA[For the first ten minutes of this episode, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever talk to Josh Manley and John Folmar about Christianity in Afghanistan and the UAE. Then they spend the rest of their time discussing the necessity of pastoral patience.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47719864</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:23:48 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47719864/pts06_15_on_pastoral_patience_part_1.mp3" length="25611630" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>For the first ten minutes of this episode, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever talk to Josh Manley and John Folmar about Christianity in Afghanistan and the UAE. Then they spend the rest of their time discussing the necessity of pastoral patience.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[For the first ten minutes of this episode, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever talk to Josh Manley and John Folmar about Christianity in Afghanistan and the UAE. Then they spend the rest of their time discussing the necessity of pastoral patience.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1601</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 189: How Can I Support International Missions? (with Mark Collins)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-189-how-can-i-support-international-missions-with-mark-collins--47618817</link><description><![CDATA[Every Christian has a role in supporting international missions. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Mark Collins—a supported worker in East Asia—about the relationship between a church and its missionaries.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47618817</guid><pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2021 11:56:35 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47618817/pts06_14_on_how_can_i_support_international_missions.mp3" length="23137329" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Every Christian has a role in supporting international missions. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Mark Collins—a supported worker in East Asia—about the relationship between a church and its missionaries.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Every Christian has a role in supporting international missions. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Mark Collins—a supported worker in East Asia—about the relationship between a church and its missionaries.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1447</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>international,missionary,missions,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 188: On Sound Doctrine and the Problems with the "Deconstruction" Project</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-188-on-sound-doctrine-and-the-problems-with-the-deconstruction-project--47495821</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about our new Journal and, in particular, Jonathan’s Editor’s Note, which focuses on the problems of the “deconstruction” project.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47495821</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:05:14 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47495821/pts06_13_on_sound_doctrine.mp3" length="25706915" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about our new Journal and, in particular, Jonathan’s Editor’s Note, which focuses on the problems of the “deconstruction” project.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about our new Journal and, in particular, Jonathan’s Editor’s Note, which focuses on the problems of the “deconstruction” project.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1607</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,deconstruction,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 187: On Nine Marks of a Healthy Church (4th Edition)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-187-on-nine-marks-of-a-healthy-church-4th-edition--47389575</link><description><![CDATA[We released Nine Marks of a Healthy Church more than 20 years ago. Today, we celebrate its fourth edition.<br /><br />In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the book’s history, and how this edition introduces two “additional” marks.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47389575</guid><pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2021 11:45:58 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47389575/pts06_12_on_nine_marks_of_a_healthy_church_4th_edition.mp3" length="20651727" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>We released Nine Marks of a Healthy Church more than 20 years ago. Today, we celebrate its fourth edition.

In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the book’s history, and how this edition introduces two “additional” marks.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[We released Nine Marks of a Healthy Church more than 20 years ago. Today, we celebrate its fourth edition.<br /><br />In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the book’s history, and how this edition introduces two “additional” marks.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1291</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9,a,church,dever,healthy,jonathan,leeman,mark,marks,of,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 186: On Gentle and Lowly (with Dane Ortlund)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-186-on-gentle-and-lowly-with-dane-ortlund--47267990</link><description><![CDATA[What’s the thesis of Gentle and Lowly? “Jesus is not who you think he is.”<br /> <br />Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Dane Ortlund about his book, and how it ought to shape pastors and local churches.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47267990</guid><pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2021 07:50:15 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47267990/pts06_11_on_gentle_and_lowly.mp3" length="29499897" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What’s the thesis of Gentle and Lowly? “Jesus is not who you think he is.”
 
Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Dane Ortlund about his book, and how it ought to shape pastors and local churches.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What’s the thesis of Gentle and Lowly? “Jesus is not who you think he is.”<br /> <br />Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Dane Ortlund about his book, and how it ought to shape pastors and local churches.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1844</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,ortlund,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 185: On The Path to Being a Pastor — Part 2 (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-185-on-the-path-to-being-a-pastor-part-2-with-bobby-jamieson--47156559</link><description><![CDATA[In a previous conversation, Jonathan chatted with Mark and Bobby about the value of going slowly down the road toward pastoral ministry, of being “filtered.” In this follow-up conversation, they discuss a host of other topics: character qualifications, marriage, biblical knowledge, devotional life, and more.<br /><br />* * * * *<br /><br />This conversation unpacks the content in Bobby’s new book, "The Path to Being a Pastor".]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47156559</guid><pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2021 07:00:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47156559/pts06_10_on_the_path_to_being_a_pastor_part_2.mp3" length="22401295" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In a previous conversation, Jonathan chatted with Mark and Bobby about the value of going slowly down the road toward pastoral ministry, of being “filtered.” In this follow-up conversation, they discuss a host of other topics: character...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In a previous conversation, Jonathan chatted with Mark and Bobby about the value of going slowly down the road toward pastoral ministry, of being “filtered.” In this follow-up conversation, they discuss a host of other topics: character qualifications, marriage, biblical knowledge, devotional life, and more.<br /><br />* * * * *<br /><br />This conversation unpacks the content in Bobby’s new book, "The Path to Being a Pastor".]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1401</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 184: On The Path to Being a Pastor — Part 1 (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-184-on-the-path-to-being-a-pastor-part-1-with-bobby-jamieson--47040089</link><description><![CDATA[If you desire to be in pastoral ministry, then what should you do? How long should the path be?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Bobby Jamieson about the first chapter of Bobby’s new book, "The Path to Being a Pastor".]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/47040089</guid><pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:55:12 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/47040089/pts06_09_on_the_path_to_being_a_pastor_part_1.mp3" length="20982742" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>If you desire to be in pastoral ministry, then what should you do? How long should the path be?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Bobby Jamieson about the first chapter of Bobby’s new book, "The Path to Being...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[If you desire to be in pastoral ministry, then what should you do? How long should the path be?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Bobby Jamieson about the first chapter of Bobby’s new book, "The Path to Being a Pastor".]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1312</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,bobby,jamieson,pastor,pastoring,preaching,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 183: On Church-Centered Missions vs Movement-Driven Missions</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-183-on-church-centered-missions-vs-movement-driven-missions--46936914</link><description><![CDATA[What’s the difference between “movement-based missions” and “church-based missions”? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mack Stiles, Brooks Buser, Scott Logsdon, and Aubrey Sequeira about these diverging approaches to obeying the Great Commission.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/46936914</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:01:43 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/46936914/pts06_08_on_church_centered_thinking_as_opposed_to_movement_driven_thinking.mp3" length="30033260" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What’s the difference between “movement-based missions” and “church-based missions”? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mack Stiles, Brooks Buser, Scott Logsdon, and Aubrey Sequeira about these diverging approaches to obeying...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What’s the difference between “movement-based missions” and “church-based missions”? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mack Stiles, Brooks Buser, Scott Logsdon, and Aubrey Sequeira about these diverging approaches to obeying the Great Commission.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1878</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 182: On How Buildings Turn Churches into Time Machines (with Adam Sinnett)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-182-on-how-buildings-turn-churches-into-time-machines-with-adam-sinnett--46829741</link><description><![CDATA[Some people say that investing in a bigger building is at odds with investing in the Great Commission. Is that the case? <br /><br />Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Adam Sinnett discuss.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/46829741</guid><pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2021 12:19:55 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/46829741/pts06_07_on_another_conversation_on_buildings.mp3" length="17197703" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Some people say that investing in a bigger building is at odds with investing in the Great Commission. Is that the case? 

Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Adam Sinnett discuss.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Some people say that investing in a bigger building is at odds with investing in the Great Commission. Is that the case? <br /><br />Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Adam Sinnett discuss.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1075</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 181: On Translating Books and the Great Commission (with Rick Denham, Daniel Henderson &amp; David Adams)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-181-on-translating-books-and-the-great-commission-with-rick-denham-daniel-henderson-david-adams--46718183</link><description><![CDATA[What does translating books have to do with the Great Commission?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman sat down with three international publishers to talk about that question.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/46718183</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:20:12 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/46718183/pts06_06_on_the_role_of_international_publishing_in_relation_to_the_great_commission.mp3" length="19447198" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What does translating books have to do with the Great Commission?

Jonathan Leeman sat down with three international publishers to talk about that question.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What does translating books have to do with the Great Commission?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman sat down with three international publishers to talk about that question.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1216</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,ministry,overseas,pastors,publishing</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 180: On Filtering Pastoral Candidates (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-180-on-filtering-pastoral-candidates-with-bobby-jamieson--46616251</link><description><![CDATA[Men who aspire to be a pastor need to be “filtered.” What does that mean?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Bobby Jamieson discuss. And in the first 7 minutes of this episode, Jonathan asks Mark his thoughts on Mike Cosper’s podcast, The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/46616251</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2021 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/46616251/pts06_05_on_filtering_pastoral_candidates.mp3" length="28766391" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Men who aspire to be a pastor need to be “filtered.” What does that mean?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Bobby Jamieson discuss. And in the first 7 minutes of this episode, Jonathan asks Mark his thoughts on Mike...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Men who aspire to be a pastor need to be “filtered.” What does that mean?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Bobby Jamieson discuss. And in the first 7 minutes of this episode, Jonathan asks Mark his thoughts on Mike Cosper’s podcast, The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1798</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,bobby,candidates,dever,jamieson,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastoral</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 179: On How to Plant a Church (with Eric Bancroft &amp; Matt Smethurst)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-179-on-how-to-plant-a-church-with-eric-bancroft-matt-smethurst--46509322</link><description><![CDATA[Is being a church planter different than being a pastor? What can the book of Acts teach us about church planting?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Matt Smethurst ask Eric Bancroft questions about church planting.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/46509322</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2021 05:17:38 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/46509322/pts06_04_on_how_to_plant_a_church.mp3" length="24933280" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Is being a church planter different than being a pastor? What can the book of Acts teach us about church planting?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Matt Smethurst ask Eric Bancroft questions about church planting.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Is being a church planter different than being a pastor? What can the book of Acts teach us about church planting?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Matt Smethurst ask Eric Bancroft questions about church planting.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1559</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,jonathan,leeman,pastor,plant,planting,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 178: On Rediscover Church (with Collin Hansen)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-178-on-rediscover-church-with-collin-hansen--46406547</link><description><![CDATA[Some Christians think that local churches are merely dispensers of religious information & religious experiences. Is that true? <br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever interviews Collin Hansen & Jonathan Leeman about their new book, Rediscover Church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/46406547</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2021 07:05:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/46406547/pts06_03_on_rediscover_church.mp3" length="25544332" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Some Christians think that local churches are merely dispensers of religious information &amp; religious experiences. Is that true? 

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever interviews Collin Hansen &amp; Jonathan Leeman about their new book, Rediscover...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Some Christians think that local churches are merely dispensers of religious information & religious experiences. Is that true? <br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever interviews Collin Hansen & Jonathan Leeman about their new book, Rediscover Church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1597</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,collin,hansen,jonathan,leeman,rediscover</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 177: On Your Old Testament Sermon Needs to Get Saved (with David King &amp; Mike Bullmore)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-177-on-your-old-testament-sermon-needs-to-get-saved-with-david-king-mike-bullmore--46313392</link><description><![CDATA[How do you preach a Christ-centered sermon from the Old Testament? Jonathan Leeman chats with David King and Mike Bullmore about our new preaching book, "Your Old Testament Sermon Needs to Get Saved".]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/46313392</guid><pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:03:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/46313392/pts06_02_on_your_old_testament_sermon_needs_to_get_saved.mp3" length="19509864" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How do you preach a Christ-centered sermon from the Old Testament? Jonathan Leeman chats with David King and Mike Bullmore about our new preaching book, "Your Old Testament Sermon Needs to Get Saved".</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How do you preach a Christ-centered sermon from the Old Testament? Jonathan Leeman chats with David King and Mike Bullmore about our new preaching book, "Your Old Testament Sermon Needs to Get Saved".]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1220</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 176: On Why We Gather Twice on Sundays</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-176-on-why-we-gather-twice-on-sundays--46217039</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about gathering twice on Sundays, and why it might be good for your church to be “inconvenient.”]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/46217039</guid><pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2021 12:43:26 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/46217039/pts06_01_on_why_gather_twice_on_a_sunday.mp3" length="20719840" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about gathering twice on Sundays, and why it might be good for your church to be “inconvenient.”</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about gathering twice on Sundays, and why it might be good for your church to be “inconvenient.”]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1295</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,leeman,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 175: On Plagiarism in the Pulpit (with Ben Lacey)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-175-on-plagiarism-in-the-pulpit-with-ben-lacey--45616871</link><description><![CDATA[Recently, there’s been lots of conversation about what constitutes plagiarism in the pulpit.<br /><br />So Jonathan Leeman chatted with Mark Dever and Ben Lacey about the topic.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/45616871</guid><pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 18:21:46 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/45616871/pts05_34_on_plagiarism_in_the_pulpit.mp3" length="38376522" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Recently, there’s been lots of conversation about what constitutes plagiarism in the pulpit.

So Jonathan Leeman chatted with Mark Dever and Ben Lacey about the topic.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Recently, there’s been lots of conversation about what constitutes plagiarism in the pulpit.<br /><br />So Jonathan Leeman chatted with Mark Dever and Ben Lacey about the topic.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2399</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 174: On Why Is the Lord's Supper So Important? (with Aubrey M. Sequeira &amp; Sam Emadi)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-174-on-why-is-the-lord-s-supper-so-important-with-aubrey-m-sequeira-sam-emadi--45496301</link><description><![CDATA[Why is the Lord’s Supper so important? What should ordinary Christians know about it?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman interviews Aubrey M. Sequeira and Sam Emadi about this question.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/45496301</guid><pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2021 17:07:19 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/45496301/pts05_33_on_why_is_the_lords_supper_so_important.mp3" length="23113502" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Why is the Lord’s Supper so important? What should ordinary Christians know about it?

Jonathan Leeman interviews Aubrey M. Sequeira and Sam Emadi about this question.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Why is the Lord’s Supper so important? What should ordinary Christians know about it?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman interviews Aubrey M. Sequeira and Sam Emadi about this question.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1445</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,lord's,questions,supper</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 173: On How Can I Find Someone to Disciple Me? (with Garrett Kell &amp; Mike McKinley)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-173-on-how-can-i-find-someone-to-disciple-me-with-garrett-kell-mike-mckinley--45396597</link><description><![CDATA[Have you ever asked, “How can I find someone to disciple me?”<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Garrett Kell, and Mike McKinley about that common question.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/45396597</guid><pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:37:46 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/45396597/pts05_32_on_how_can_i_find_someone_to_disciple_me.mp3" length="24532056" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Have you ever asked, “How can I find someone to disciple me?”

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Garrett Kell, and Mike McKinley about that common question.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Have you ever asked, “How can I find someone to disciple me?”<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Garrett Kell, and Mike McKinley about that common question.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1534</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>dever,disciple,discipleship,discipling,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 172: On Pastoring and Parenting (with David Helm, Juan Sanchez, and Michael Lawrence)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-172-on-pastoring-and-parenting-with-david-helm-juan-sanchez-and-michael-lawrence--45213984</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with David Helm, Juan Sanchez, and Michael Lawrence about the unique blessings and burdens of parenting your kids while also pastoring your church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/45213984</guid><pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2021 12:27:33 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/45213984/pts05_31_on_pastoring_and_parenting.mp3" length="41973060" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with David Helm, Juan Sanchez, and Michael Lawrence about the unique blessings and burdens of parenting your kids while also pastoring your church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with David Helm, Juan Sanchez, and Michael Lawrence about the unique blessings and burdens of parenting your kids while also pastoring your church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2624</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dads,family,parenting,parents,pastor,pastoring,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 171: On Does God Love Everyone? (with Matt McCullough &amp; Mike McKinley)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-171-on-does-god-love-everyone-with-matt-mccullough-mike-mckinley--44896910</link><description><![CDATA[Does God love everyone?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Mike McKinley, and Matt McCullough about our new Church Questions booklet on that important question.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/44896910</guid><pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/44896910/pts05_30_on_does_god_love_everyone.mp3" length="21325081" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Does God love everyone?

Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Mike McKinley, and Matt McCullough about our new Church Questions booklet on that important question.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Does God love everyone?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Mike McKinley, and Matt McCullough about our new Church Questions booklet on that important question.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1327</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,everyone,god,love,pastoring,pastors,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 170: On Men and Women in the Church (with Kevin DeYoung)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-170-on-men-and-women-in-the-church-with-kevin-deyoung--44623495</link><description><![CDATA[Kevin DeYoung recently wrote a new book—"Men and Women in the Church: A Short, Biblical, Practical Introduction". In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and DeYoung about the role of men and women in healthy churches.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/44623495</guid><pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2021 13:12:30 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/44623495/pts05_29_on_complementarianism_with_kevin_de_young.mp3" length="24679233" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Kevin DeYoung recently wrote a new book—"Men and Women in the Church: A Short, Biblical, Practical Introduction". In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and DeYoung about the role of men and women in healthy churches.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Kevin DeYoung recently wrote a new book—"Men and Women in the Church: A Short, Biblical, Practical Introduction". In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and DeYoung about the role of men and women in healthy churches.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1537</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>complementarianism,deyoung,kevin,men,women</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 169: On Why Should I Give to My Church (with Jamie Dunlop)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-169-on-why-should-i-give-to-my-church-with-jamie-dunlop--44509995</link><description><![CDATA[Most Christians know that they should give to their church, but fewer know why they should. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Jamie Dunlop about this topic, which is also covered in Jamie's new booklet, "Why Should I Give to My Church?"]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/44509995</guid><pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:57:54 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/44509995/pts05_28_on_why_should_i_give_to_my_church.mp3" length="23225139" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Most Christians know that they should give to their church, but fewer know why they should. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Jamie Dunlop about this topic, which is also covered in Jamie's new booklet, "Why...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Most Christians know that they should give to their church, but fewer know why they should. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Jamie Dunlop about this topic, which is also covered in Jamie's new booklet, "Why Should I Give to My Church?"]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1446</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,pastoral,pastoring,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 168: On Membership Interviews</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-168-on-membership-interviews--44406758</link><description><![CDATA[Why should pastors meet with prospective church members? What should they talk about when they do?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the usefulness of membership interviews.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/44406758</guid><pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:36:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/44406758/pts05_27_on_membership_interviews.mp3" length="17493227" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Why should pastors meet with prospective church members? What should they talk about when they do?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the usefulness of membership interviews.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Why should pastors meet with prospective church members? What should they talk about when they do?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the usefulness of membership interviews.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1087</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>pastoral,pastors,preaching,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 167: On Deacons (with Matt Smethurst)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-167-on-deacons-with-matt-smethurst--44316680</link><description><![CDATA[What does the Bible say about deacons? How are they different than elders? Should they balance the authority of the elders?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Smethurst about his new book.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/44316680</guid><pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2021 13:04:21 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/44316680/pts05_26_on_deacons.mp3" length="26177137" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What does the Bible say about deacons? How are they different than elders? Should they balance the authority of the elders?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Smethurst about his new book.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What does the Bible say about deacons? How are they different than elders? Should they balance the authority of the elders?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Smethurst about his new book.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1630</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,book,church,deacons,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 166: On How Can Women Thrive in the Local Church (with Keri Folmar)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-166-on-how-can-women-thrive-in-the-local-church-with-keri-folmar--44219880</link><description><![CDATA[Are local churches uniquely difficult for women? How can women thrive in our churches?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Keri Folmar about her new booklet from Crossway and 9Marks.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/44219880</guid><pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/44219880/pts05_25_on_how_can_women_thrive_in_the_local_church.mp3" length="22012660" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Are local churches uniquely difficult for women? How can women thrive in our churches?

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Keri Folmar about her new booklet from Crossway and 9Marks.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Are local churches uniquely difficult for women? How can women thrive in our churches?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Keri Folmar about her new booklet from Crossway and 9Marks.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1370</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,thrive,women</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 165: On Overview Sermons</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-165-on-overview-sermons--44114193</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the value of preaching big chunks of texts, including whole books in one sermon.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/44114193</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:38:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/44114193/pts05_24_on_overview_sermons.mp3" length="23411937" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the value of preaching big chunks of texts, including whole books in one sermon.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the value of preaching big chunks of texts, including whole books in one sermon.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1457</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,baptist,capitol,church,dever,hill,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastor,pastoring,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 164: On Pastoral Sabbaticals (with Jamie Dunlop)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-164-on-pastoral-sabbaticals-with-jamie-dunlop--43921353</link><description><![CDATA[Are sabbaticals in the Bible? Are they . . . fair? (After all, what other profession gets them!) How should they be structured?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/43921353</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:07:48 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/43921353/pts05_23_on_pastoral_sabbaticals.mp3" length="24263328" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Are sabbaticals in the Bible? Are they . . . fair? (After all, what other profession gets them!) How should they be structured?</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Are sabbaticals in the Bible? Are they . . . fair? (After all, what other profession gets them!) How should they be structured?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1511</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,dunlop,jamie,mark,pastoral,sabbaticals</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 163: On Paying Pastors (with Jamie Dunlop)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-163-on-paying-pastors-with-jamie-dunlop--43811328</link><description><![CDATA[How much should churches pay their pastors? How can they even find the answer to that question? Should a pastor ever ask for a raise?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Jamie Dunlop about these questions.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/43811328</guid><pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2021 16:33:35 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/43811328/pts05_22_on_paying_pastors.mp3" length="25164854" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How much should churches pay their pastors? How can they even find the answer to that question? Should a pastor ever ask for a raise?

Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Jamie Dunlop about these questions.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How much should churches pay their pastors? How can they even find the answer to that question? Should a pastor ever ask for a raise?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Jamie Dunlop about these questions.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1567</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>building,church,healthy,pastors,paying,podcast,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 162: On Firing Church Staff</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-162-on-firing-church-staff--43702697</link><description><![CDATA[Firing someone is almost always hard, perhaps especially in the church. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about this difficult topic, one that Mark says is a personal weakness of his.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/43702697</guid><pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2021 13:37:25 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/43702697/pts05_21_on_firing_church_staff.mp3" length="22541752" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Firing someone is almost always hard, perhaps especially in the church. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about this difficult topic, one that Mark says is a personal weakness of his.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Firing someone is almost always hard, perhaps especially in the church. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about this difficult topic, one that Mark says is a personal weakness of his.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1403</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,firing,staff</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 160: On Raising Up Elders in a Growing Church</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-160-on-raising-up-elders-in-a-growing-church--43491131</link><description><![CDATA[In a growing church, nominating elders can be hard. After all, people might not know the man. They might never have heard him teach. So what’s a church to do?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about raising up elders as a church’s culture changes.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/43491131</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:42:45 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/43491131/pts05_19_on_raising_up_elders_in_a_growing_church.mp3" length="25553184" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In a growing church, nominating elders can be hard. After all, people might not know the man. They might never have heard him teach. So what’s a church to do?

Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about raising up elders as a church’s culture changes.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In a growing church, nominating elders can be hard. After all, people might not know the man. They might never have heard him teach. So what’s a church to do?<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about raising up elders as a church’s culture changes.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1591</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 159: On How to Talk to Your Church About Leaving (with Hershael York)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-159-on-how-to-talk-to-your-church-about-leaving-with-hershael-york--43364622</link><description><![CDATA[How transparent should pastors be with their congregation as they think about pursuing other jobs? As it turns out, Mark Dever and Hershael York offer different counsel on this. Jonathan Leeman chats with them about the wisdom of different approaches.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/43364622</guid><pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:12:53 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/43364622/pts05_18_on_how_to_talk_to_your_church_about_leaving.mp3" length="23806539" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How transparent should pastors be with their congregation as they think about pursuing other jobs? As it turns out, Mark Dever and Hershael York offer different counsel on this. Jonathan Leeman chats with them about the wisdom of different approaches.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How transparent should pastors be with their congregation as they think about pursuing other jobs? As it turns out, Mark Dever and Hershael York offer different counsel on this. Jonathan Leeman chats with them about the wisdom of different approaches.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1482</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leaving,pastor,pastoring,pastors,preacher,preaching,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 158: On Chairing an Elders Meeting (with Isaac Adams &amp; Ken Barbic)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-158-on-chairing-an-elders-meeting-with-isaac-adams-ken-barbic--43246977</link><description><![CDATA[There’s nothing in the Bible about who should chair—lead—elders’ meetings. But the role and responsibility of the elder chairman is nonetheless very important. Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Ken Barbic, and Isaac Adams.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/43246977</guid><pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2021 12:15:37 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/43246977/pts05_17_on_chairing_an_elders_meeting.mp3" length="33424169" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>There’s nothing in the Bible about who should chair—lead—elders’ meetings. But the role and responsibility of the elder chairman is nonetheless very important. Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Ken Barbic, and Isaac Adams.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[There’s nothing in the Bible about who should chair—lead—elders’ meetings. But the role and responsibility of the elder chairman is nonetheless very important. Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, Ken Barbic, and Isaac Adams.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2083</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,chairman,church,elder,elders,leadership,meeting</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 157: On Why Should I Be Baptized? 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In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Bobby Jamieson about that important question.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Surely you’ve heard someone ask, “But pastor, why should I be baptized?”<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Bobby Jamieson about that important question.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1382</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>baptise,baptism,baptist,dever,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 156: On How Pastors Should Prepare their People for Eternity</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-156-on-how-pastors-should-prepare-their-people-for-eternity--42899914</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about one of the pastor’s most important jobs: preparing his people for eternity.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/42899914</guid><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:41:29 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/42899914/pts05_15_on_how_pastors_should_prepare_their_people_for_eternity.mp3" length="23980434" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about one of the pastor’s most important jobs: preparing his people for eternity.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about one of the pastor’s most important jobs: preparing his people for eternity.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1493</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,death,eternity,leaders,leadership,pastors,soul,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 155: On Remembering 2020</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-155-on-remembering-2020--42498237</link><description><![CDATA[This year has been hard, but now it’s finally (nearly) over. In this final Pastors Talk of 2020, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the highs and lows of this particular year.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/42498237</guid><pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:17:38 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/42498237/pts05_14_on_remembering_2020.mp3" length="16949452" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>This year has been hard, but now it’s finally (nearly) over. In this final Pastors Talk of 2020, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the highs and lows of this particular year.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[This year has been hard, but now it’s finally (nearly) over. In this final Pastors Talk of 2020, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the highs and lows of this particular year.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1053</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,jonathan,leadership,leeman,mark,pastoral,pastoring,remembering</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 154: On A Bunch of Fun Biographies</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-154-on-a-bunch-of-fun-biographies--42377232</link><description><![CDATA[Are you looking for books to read this holiday season? Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about a bunch of fun biographies.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/42377232</guid><pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2020 11:34:16 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/42377232/pts05_13_on_a_bunch_of_fun_biographies.mp3" length="28223921" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Are you looking for books to read this holiday season? Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about a bunch of fun biographies.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Are you looking for books to read this holiday season? Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about a bunch of fun biographies.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1758</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,jonathan,leadership,leeman,mark,pastoring,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 153: On Caring for Members Unwilling to Come Back to Church (with Nathan Knight)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-153-on-caring-for-members-unwilling-to-come-back-to-church-with-nathan-knight--42277487</link><description><![CDATA[Among the many things 2020 has made more complicated, chief among them is caring for members who are unwilling to come back to church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/42277487</guid><pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 12:29:42 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/42277487/pts05_12_on_caring_for_members_unwilling_to_come_back_to_church.mp3" length="24764105" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Among the many things 2020 has made more complicated, chief among them is caring for members who are unwilling to come back to church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Among the many things 2020 has made more complicated, chief among them is caring for members who are unwilling to come back to church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1542</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,bible,christianity,church,dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,members,membership</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 152: On Virtual "Church"</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-152-on-virtual-church--42140079</link><description><![CDATA[For years, certain churches and ministries have referred to “virtual church” or “attending church online.” This year of COVID-19—the “anti-gathering virus,” as Mark puts it in this episode—has made such phrases even more popular.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/42140079</guid><pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2020 12:03:20 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/42140079/pts05_11_on_virtual_church.mp3" length="19604329" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>For years, certain churches and ministries have referred to “virtual church” or “attending church online.” This year of COVID-19—the “anti-gathering virus,” as Mark puts it in this episode—has made such phrases even more popular.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[For years, certain churches and ministries have referred to “virtual church” or “attending church online.” This year of COVID-19—the “anti-gathering virus,” as Mark puts it in this episode—has made such phrases even more popular.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1219</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,jonathan,leadership,leeman,mark,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 151: On How Much a Pastor Should Care About His Reputation</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-151-on-how-much-a-pastor-should-care-about-his-reputation--41898284</link><description><![CDATA[Paul says pastors must be “well thought of by outsiders.” But Jesus says we’re “blessed” when others speak evil about us, even falsely.<br /><br />What do we do with this? How much should a pastor care about his reputation?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/41898284</guid><pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2020 11:40:16 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41898284/pts05_10_on_how_much_a_pastor_should_care_about_his_reputation.mp3" length="35263656" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Paul says pastors must be “well thought of by outsiders.” But Jesus says we’re “blessed” when others speak evil about us, even falsely.

What do we do with this? How much should a pastor care about his reputation?</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Paul says pastors must be “well thought of by outsiders.” But Jesus says we’re “blessed” when others speak evil about us, even falsely.<br /><br />What do we do with this? How much should a pastor care about his reputation?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2198</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,leadership,pastor,reputation,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 150: On Cleaning the Membership Rolls - Part 2 (with Matt Schmucker)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-150-on-cleaning-the-membership-rolls-part-2-with-matt-schmucker--41772809</link><description><![CDATA[Episode 149 explained what “cleaning the rolls” means, and why pastors should lead their churches to do it. Episode 150 continues the conversation, but focuses on how to actually get it done.<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Matt Schmucker discuss.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/41772809</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2020 11:20:46 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41772809/pts05_09_on_cleaning_the_membership_rolls_part_2.mp3" length="23734224" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Episode 149 explained what “cleaning the rolls” means, and why pastors should lead their churches to do it. Episode 150 continues the conversation, but focuses on how to actually get it done.

Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Matt Schmucker discuss.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Episode 149 explained what “cleaning the rolls” means, and why pastors should lead their churches to do it. Episode 150 continues the conversation, but focuses on how to actually get it done.<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Matt Schmucker discuss.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1477</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,matt,membership,pastor,pastoral,preaching,schmucker</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 149: On Cleaning the Membership Rolls - Part 1 (with Matt Schmucker)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-149-on-cleaning-the-membership-rolls-part-1-with-matt-schmucker--41661819</link><description><![CDATA[Some churches report hundreds of members, with dozens in attendance. These churches need to “clean their rolls.”<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what that means and why churches should do it.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/41661819</guid><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2020 12:49:29 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41661819/pts05_08_on_cleaning_the_membership_rolls_part_1.mp3" length="21267429" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Some churches report hundreds of members, with dozens in attendance. These churches need to “clean their rolls.”

Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what that means and why churches should do it.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Some churches report hundreds of members, with dozens in attendance. These churches need to “clean their rolls.”<br /><br />Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what that means and why churches should do it.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1323</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>bible,church,leadership,membership,pastoring,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 148: On How A Culture of Discipling + Lay Elders = Church Planting</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-148-on-how-a-culture-of-discipling-lay-elders-church-planting--41550881</link><description><![CDATA[Healthy churches plant churches. But how? What causes a church to “bubble over”? Here’s one way.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/41550881</guid><pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:57:37 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41550881/pts05_07_on_culture_of_discipling_plus_lay_elders_equals_church_planting.mp3" length="26363641" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Healthy churches plant churches. But how? What causes a church to “bubble over”? Here’s one way.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Healthy churches plant churches. But how? What causes a church to “bubble over”? Here’s one way.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1642</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,dever,discipleship,jonathan,leadership,leeman,mark,pastoral,pastoring,pastors,planting,podcast,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 147: On the Appeal and the Errors of Theonomy (with T. David Gordon)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-147-on-the-appeal-and-the-errors-of-theonomy-with-t-david-gordon--41426165</link><description><![CDATA[Broadly speaking, “theonomy” is the theological persuasion that civil societies ought to be governed by the Mosaic Law. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with T. David Gordon about the errors and appeal of theonomy.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/41426165</guid><pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 03:15:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41426165/pts05_06_on_theonomy.mp3" length="37095487" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Broadly speaking, “theonomy” is the theological persuasion that civil societies ought to be governed by the Mosaic Law. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with T. David Gordon about the errors and appeal of theonomy.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Broadly speaking, “theonomy” is the theological persuasion that civil societies ought to be governed by the Mosaic Law. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with T. David Gordon about the errors and appeal of theonomy.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2313</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,mark,theonomy</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 146: On Preparing for a Tough Political Season (Part 2)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-146-on-preparing-for-a-tough-political-season-part-2--41323527</link><description><![CDATA[We just released a new Journal: Pastoring through Political Turmoil. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the Journal in particular and the topic of pastoring through an election season in general.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/41323527</guid><pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2020 11:37:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41323527/pts05_05_on_preparing_for_a_tough_political_season_part_2.mp3" length="27698167" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>We just released a new Journal: Pastoring through Political Turmoil. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the Journal in particular and the topic of pastoring through an election season in general.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[We just released a new Journal: Pastoring through Political Turmoil. In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the Journal in particular and the topic of pastoring through an election season in general.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1725</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,leadership,pastor,pastoring,pastors,politicians,politics,vote</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 145: On Preparing for a Tough Political Season (Part 1)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-145-on-preparing-for-a-tough-political-season-part-1--41193042</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how pastors can prepare their people for a tough political season.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/41193042</guid><pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:00:16 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41193042/pts05_04_on_preparing_for_a_tough_political_season.mp3" length="23857108" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how pastors can prepare their people for a tough political season.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how pastors can prepare their people for a tough political season.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1485</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,pastor,pastoral,pastoring,politics,vote</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 144: On Lay Elders - Part 2 (with Klon Kitchen)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-144-on-lay-elders-part-2-with-klon-kitchen--41052346</link><description><![CDATA[How do you prevent a potential friction between staff and lay elders? How do you ensure they’re not just “yes men”? How much deference should non-staff elders give others?<br /> <br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Klon Kitchen continue their conversation on lay elders.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/41052346</guid><pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:00:13 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/41052346/pts05_03_on_lay_elders_part_2.mp3" length="21771867" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How do you prevent a potential friction between staff and lay elders? How do you ensure they’re not just “yes men”? How much deference should non-staff elders give others?
 
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Klon...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How do you prevent a potential friction between staff and lay elders? How do you ensure they’re not just “yes men”? 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How can a church make sure that there isn’t a deep divide between elders who are paid by the church and those who aren’t?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Klon Kitchen (a lay elder at Cheverly Baptist Church) about these questions and more.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1542</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,elders,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Bible Talk — Genesis 1:1–3:19: On the Serpent, the Promised Seed, and Nahash the King of the Ammonites</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/bible-talk-genesis-1-1-3-19-on-the-serpent-the-promised-seed-and-nahash-the-king-of-the-ammonites--40801765</link><description><![CDATA[In this inaugural episode of Bible Talk, Alex Duke chats with Jim Hamilton and Sam Emadi about the first three chapters of Genesis. These first three chapters of the Bible are so important because they set the trajectory for everything that comes next—all the way until we get to Revelation 22.<br /><br />Bible Talk is available on iTunes, Spotify and 9Marks.org.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/40801765</guid><pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:01:30 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/40801765/pts05_01_1_gen1_3.mp3" length="43609318" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this inaugural episode of Bible Talk, Alex Duke chats with Jim Hamilton and Sam Emadi about the first three chapters of Genesis. These first three chapters of the Bible are so important because they set the trajectory for everything that comes...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this inaugural episode of Bible Talk, Alex Duke chats with Jim Hamilton and Sam Emadi about the first three chapters of Genesis. These first three chapters of the Bible are so important because they set the trajectory for everything that comes next—all the way until we get to Revelation 22.<br /><br />Bible Talk is available on iTunes, Spotify and 9Marks.org.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2720</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/bd101c21289c8c2dbae586c946e96ce1.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 142: On Preparing for the Next Guy</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-142-on-preparing-for-the-next-guy--40772365</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/40772365</guid><pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:04:52 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/40772365/pts05_01_on_preparing_for_the_next_guy.mp3" length="18234279" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1134</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,mark,ministry,pastoral,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 141: On The Life and Ministry of J. I. Packer</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-141-on-the-life-and-ministry-of-j-i-packer--40015243</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/40015243</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:20:33 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/40015243/pts04_47_on_the_life_and_ministry_of_j_i_packer.mp3" length="61939459" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>3865</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,packer,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 140: A Conversation about Grace Community Church's Statement on Civil Disobedience</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-140-a-conversation-about-grace-community-church-s-statement-on-civil-disobedience--39982641</link><description><![CDATA[Jonathan and Mark chat about Grace Community Church’s decision, civil disobedience, and how Christians ought to approach this season with an extra amount of charity and grace.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/39982641</guid><pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2020 00:48:54 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/39982641/pts04_48_a_conversation_about_grace_community_church_statement_on_civil_disobedience.mp3" length="22350435" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Jonathan and Mark chat about Grace Community Church’s decision, civil disobedience, and how Christians ought to approach this season with an extra amount of charity and grace.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jonathan and Mark chat about Grace Community Church’s decision, civil disobedience, and how Christians ought to approach this season with an extra amount of charity and grace.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1391</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>civil,dever,disobedience,mark,pastors,podcast,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 139: On Remembering J. I. Packer</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-139-on-remembering-j-i-packer--39906356</link><description><![CDATA[In this special episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman asks Mark Dever to reflect on his friendship with J. I. Packer.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/39906356</guid><pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:38:19 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/39906356/pts04_46_on_remembering_j_i_packer.mp3" length="34183599" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this special episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman asks Mark Dever to reflect on his friendship with J. I. Packer.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this special episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman asks Mark Dever to reflect on his friendship with J. I. Packer.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2131</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,james,packer,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 138: On What if I Don't Desire to Pray (with John Onwuchekwa)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-138-on-what-if-i-don-t-desire-to-pray-with-john-onwuchekwa--39880740</link><description><![CDATA[As Christians, we know we should pray. But too often, we fail to because we simply don’t desire to.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/39880740</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:13:23 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/39880740/pts04_45_on_what_if_i_dont_desire_to_pray.mp3" length="24231587" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>As Christians, we know we should pray. But too often, we fail to because we simply don’t desire to.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[As Christians, we know we should pray. But too often, we fail to because we simply don’t desire to.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1509</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 137: On What If I Don't Feel Like Going to Church (with Gunner Gundersen)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-137-on-what-if-i-don-t-feel-like-going-to-church-with-gunner-gundersen--39601762</link><description><![CDATA[Sadly, missing church is common. Sometimes, it's for good reasons; other times, it's not. As a pastor, how many times have you heard a member tell you, "I'm so sorry we missed last Sunday—we just couldn't make it with everything we have going on!"?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Gunner Gundersen about how we should respond to those who simply don't feel like going to church—and so they miss for this-or-that reason.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/39601762</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:00:21 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/39601762/pts04_44_on_what_if_i_dont_feel_like_going_to_church.mp3" length="19360295" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Sadly, missing church is common. Sometimes, it's for good reasons; other times, it's not. As a pastor, how many times have you heard a member tell you, "I'm so sorry we missed last Sunday—we just couldn't make it with everything we have going on!"?...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Sadly, missing church is common. Sometimes, it's for good reasons; other times, it's not. As a pastor, how many times have you heard a member tell you, "I'm so sorry we missed last Sunday—we just couldn't make it with everything we have going on!"?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Gunner Gundersen about how we should respond to those who simply don't feel like going to church—and so they miss for this-or-that reason.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1204</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,going,gundersen,gunner,mark,pastors,talk,to</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episodes 136: On Pastors and Social Media</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episodes-136-on-pastors-and-social-media--36528671</link><description><![CDATA[Many pastors feel pressure from their members to speak up on social media. “Why aren’t you talking about ___________? Don’t you care?”<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about how pastors ought to approach social media use.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/36528671</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2020 08:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/36528671/pts04_43_on_pastors_and_social_media.mp3" length="20558966" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Many pastors feel pressure from their members to speak up on social media. “Why aren’t you talking about ___________? Don’t you care?”

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about how pastors ought to approach social...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Many pastors feel pressure from their members to speak up on social media. “Why aren’t you talking about ___________? Don’t you care?”<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about how pastors ought to approach social media use.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1279</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>media,ministry,pastor,pastoral,pastors,shepherd,shepherding,social</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 135: On Shepherding: The Work and Character of a Pastor</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-135-on-shepherding-the-work-and-character-of-a-pastor--34887891</link><description><![CDATA[In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal: On Shepherding — The Work and Character of a Pastor. They focus on three traits of a pastor:<br /><br />— They should be godly & gifted, but especially godly.<br />— They should care about other churches.<br />— They shouldn’t freak out.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/34887891</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:59:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/34887891/pts04_42_on_shepherding_the_work_and_character_of_a_pastor.mp3" length="26256213" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal: On Shepherding — The Work and Character of a Pastor. They focus on three traits of a pastor:

— They should be godly &amp; gifted, but especially godly.
— They should...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal: On Shepherding — The Work and Character of a Pastor. They focus on three traits of a pastor:<br /><br />— They should be godly & gifted, but especially godly.<br />— They should care about other churches.<br />— They shouldn’t freak out.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1635</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,character,dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastors,shepherding,work</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 134: On the Difference between Revival and Revivalism</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-134-on-the-difference-between-revival-and-revivalism--32544749</link><description><![CDATA[In his book Revival & Revivalism, Iain Murray defines revival as God using ordinary means to effect extraordinary change. That’s much different than revivalism, which is when man tries to use extraordinary means to effect the same, extraordinary change.<br /><br />Can you tell the difference between the two? Is it even possible? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark to take a brief tour of church history so that pastors and Christians today can discern the difference between revival—a good thing—and revivalism—a bad thing.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/32544749</guid><pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2020 06:40:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/32544749/pts04_41_on_the_difference_between_revival_and_revivalism.mp3" length="24794188" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In his book Revival &amp; Revivalism, Iain Murray defines revival as God using ordinary means to effect extraordinary change. That’s much different than revivalism, which is when man tries to use extraordinary means to effect the same, extraordinary...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In his book Revival & Revivalism, Iain Murray defines revival as God using ordinary means to effect extraordinary change. That’s much different than revivalism, which is when man tries to use extraordinary means to effect the same, extraordinary change.<br /><br />Can you tell the difference between the two? Is it even possible? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark to take a brief tour of church history so that pastors and Christians today can discern the difference between revival—a good thing—and revivalism—a bad thing.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1544</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,churches,dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,renewal,revival,revivalism</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 133: On Why Should I Join a Church?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-133-on-why-should-i-join-a-church--31032893</link><description><![CDATA[Have you ever met a growing Christian who is self-consciously choosing not to join a church? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the vital necessity of joining a local church.<br /><br />For more on this topic, check out Mark’s new mini-book in the Church Questions series: "Why Should I Join a Church?"]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/31032893</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2020 03:59:18 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/31032893/pts04_40_on_why_should_i_join_a_church.mp3" length="19463501" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Have you ever met a growing Christian who is self-consciously choosing not to join a church? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the vital necessity of joining a local church.

For more on this topic, check out...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Have you ever met a growing Christian who is self-consciously choosing not to join a church? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the vital necessity of joining a local church.<br /><br />For more on this topic, check out Mark’s new mini-book in the Church Questions series: "Why Should I Join a Church?"]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1211</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,a,christianity,church,dever,formal,join,jonathan,leeman,mark,members,membership,podcast,why</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/57abd1feac7b05387df5e5a1ab491d08.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 132: On Teaching Your Church about Issues Related to Race (with Jeff Brown, James Miles, and Mark Vroegop)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-132-on-teaching-your-church-about-issues-related-to-race-with-jeff-brown-james-miles-and-mark-vroegop--29918716</link><description><![CDATA[Should pastors try to educate their church about issues related to race and racism? If so, how?<br /><br />In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with three staff members of College Park Church—Mark Vroegop, Jeff Brown, and James Miles—about what they’ve done, how they’ve done it, and why the journey is worth whatever difficulties it brings.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/29918716</guid><pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2020 15:06:31 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/29918716/pts04_39_on_teaching_your_church_about_issues_related_to_race.mp3" length="40903597" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Should pastors try to educate their church about issues related to race and racism? If so, how?

In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with three staff members of College Park Church—Mark Vroegop, Jeff Brown, and James Miles—about what...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Should pastors try to educate their church about issues related to race and racism? If so, how?<br /><br />In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with three staff members of College Park Church—Mark Vroegop, Jeff Brown, and James Miles—about what they’ve done, how they’ve done it, and why the journey is worth whatever difficulties it brings.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2551</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,pastoring,pastors,pastors',race,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 131: On Pastoring Amidst National Trauma (with Garrett Kell)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-131-on-pastoring-amidst-national-trauma-with-garrett-kell--29622659</link><description><![CDATA[The past few weeks have been hard. People are grieving and angry, scared and confused.<br /><br />How should pastors lead and love their people during a national trauma? Jonathan Leeman and Garrett Kell discuss.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/29622659</guid><pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:19:53 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/29622659/pts04_38_on_pastoring_amidst_national_trauma.mp3" length="44362119" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>The past few weeks have been hard. People are grieving and angry, scared and confused.

How should pastors lead and love their people during a national trauma? Jonathan Leeman and Garrett Kell discuss.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[The past few weeks have been hard. People are grieving and angry, scared and confused.<br /><br />How should pastors lead and love their people during a national trauma? Jonathan Leeman and Garrett Kell discuss.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2764</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,ministry,pastoral,pastoring,pastors,preaching,protests,talk,trama</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 130: On How Can I Love Church Members with Different Politics (with Andy Naselli)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-130-on-how-can-i-love-church-members-with-different-politics-with-andy-naselli--28893925</link><description><![CDATA[Conversations about politics are often emotionally charged. We disagree because our consciences are calibrated differently. So how can we still love each other? Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Andy Naselli discuss.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/28893925</guid><pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2020 13:17:43 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/28893925/pts04_37_on_how_can_i_love_church_members_with_different_politics.mp3" length="25193719" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Conversations about politics are often emotionally charged. We disagree because our consciences are calibrated differently. So how can we still love each other? Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Andy Naselli discuss.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Conversations about politics are often emotionally charged. We disagree because our consciences are calibrated differently. So how can we still love each other? Mark Dever, Jonathan Leeman, and Andy Naselli discuss.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1566</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,jonathan,leeman,members,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 129: On Principles to Consider as We Gather Again</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-129-on-principles-to-consider-as-we-gather-again--28352635</link><description><![CDATA[As churches move toward gathering again, there are lots of principles to consider. One of the most important—and one of the least talked about—is the difference between what’s a church and what’s not a church.<br /><br />Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss in this Pastors’ Talk episode.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/28352635</guid><pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2020 12:22:14 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/28352635/pts04_36_on_principles_to_consider_as_we_gather_again.mp3" length="14564991" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>As churches move toward gathering again, there are lots of principles to consider. One of the most important—and one of the least talked about—is the difference between what’s a church and what’s not a church.

Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[As churches move toward gathering again, there are lots of principles to consider. One of the most important—and one of the least talked about—is the difference between what’s a church and what’s not a church.<br /><br />Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss in this Pastors’ Talk episode.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>902</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,assembly,church,covid19,dever,fellowship,gathering,jonathan,leeman,mark,pastoral,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 128: On When Elders Disagree (with Matt Schmucker)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-128-on-when-elders-disagree-with-matt-schmucker--27754115</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what to do when elders disagree.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/27754115</guid><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 11:37:40 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/27754115/pts04_35_on_when_elders_disagree.mp3" length="31601801" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what to do when elders disagree.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what to do when elders disagree.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1967</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,conversation,disagreement,elders,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 127: On Character Matters (with Aaron Menikoff)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-127-on-character-matters-with-aaron-menikoff--27120677</link><description><![CDATA[A few years ago, someone told pastor Aaron Menikoff that he was too harsh. The Holy Spirit took that feedback, and sparked in Aaron a fresh desire to pursue the fruit of the Spirit, which ultimately led to this new book: Character Matters.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Aaron about the importance of godly character in the life of all Christians, especially pastors.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/27120677</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2020 08:00:16 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/27120677/pts04_34_on_character_matter.mp3" length="23964427" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>A few years ago, someone told pastor Aaron Menikoff that he was too harsh. The Holy Spirit took that feedback, and sparked in Aaron a fresh desire to pursue the fruit of the Spirit, which ultimately led to this new book: Character Matters.

In this...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[A few years ago, someone told pastor Aaron Menikoff that he was too harsh. The Holy Spirit took that feedback, and sparked in Aaron a fresh desire to pursue the fruit of the Spirit, which ultimately led to this new book: Character Matters.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Aaron about the importance of godly character in the life of all Christians, especially pastors.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1490</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,book,character,holiness,jonathan,leeman,matters</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 126: On When Should Churches Practice Civil Disobedience? (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-126-on-when-should-churches-practice-civil-disobedience-with-bobby-jamieson--26738855</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/26738855</guid><pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2020 03:28:10 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/26738855/pts04_33_on_when_should_churches_practice_civil_disobedience.mp3" length="30412347" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1893</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,churches,civil,dever,disobedience,gather,mark,pastors,quarantine,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 125: On "What Should I Do Now That I'm a Christian?" (with Sam Emadi)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-125-on-what-should-i-do-now-that-i-m-a-christian-with-sam-emadi--26272233</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/26272233</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:02:30 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/26272233/pts04_32_on_what_should_i_do_now_that_i_am_a_christian.mp3" length="24139602" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1501</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>christian,christianity,church,life,living</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 124: On The Case Against Multisite in One Assembly</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-124-on-the-case-against-multisite-in-one-assembly--25842401</link><description><![CDATA[In the previous Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan and Mark chatted about why he wrote One Assembly and how he hopes the book will be received. In this episode, Mark asks Jonathan to make his best case from the Bible against multi-site and multi-service churches.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/25842401</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:02:27 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/25842401/pts04_31_on_the_case_against_multisite_in_one_assembly.mp3" length="21954093" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In the previous Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan and Mark chatted about why he wrote One Assembly and how he hopes the book will be received. In this episode, Mark asks Jonathan to make his best case from the Bible against multi-site and multi-service...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In the previous Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan and Mark chatted about why he wrote One Assembly and how he hopes the book will be received. In this episode, Mark asks Jonathan to make his best case from the Bible against multi-site and multi-service churches.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1364</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,assembly,church,churches,dever,mark,one</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 123: On Why We Pick the Multisite Fight in One Assembly</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-123-on-why-we-pick-the-multisite-fight-in-one-assembly--25423088</link><description><![CDATA[Jonathan’s new book One Assembly argues against multi-site and multi-service churches. What motivated him to write a whole book on the topic? Isn’t this much ado about very little?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark chats with Jonathan about his new book, why he loves multi-site and multi-service pastors, and what he hopes the book will accomplish.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/25423088</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2020 06:00:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/25423088/pts04_30_on_why_we_pick_the_multisite_fight_in_one_assembly.mp3" length="21344301" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Jonathan’s new book One Assembly argues against multi-site and multi-service churches. What motivated him to write a whole book on the topic? Isn’t this much ado about very little?

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark chats with Jonathan about his...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jonathan’s new book One Assembly argues against multi-site and multi-service churches. What motivated him to write a whole book on the topic? Isn’t this much ado about very little?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark chats with Jonathan about his new book, why he loves multi-site and multi-service pastors, and what he hopes the book will accomplish.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1326</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,multiservice,multisite,pastors,podcast</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 122: On Hell</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-122-on-hell--24906982</link><description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.9marks.org/" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/24906982</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 07:35:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/24906982/pts04_29_on_hell.mp3" length="24365642" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>https://www.9marks.org/</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.9marks.org/" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1515</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,christianity,dever,hell,mark,pastors,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 121: On Pastoring Suffering People (with Andy Johnson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-121-on-pastoring-suffering-people-with-andy-johnson--24655192</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/24655192</guid><pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2020 07:00:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/24655192/pts04_28_on_pastoring_suffering_people.mp3" length="24997222" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1554</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,christianity,church,dever,mark,pastoral,pastors,suffering</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 120: On Shepherding Saints While Sheltered In Place (with Garrett Kell)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-120-on-shepherding-saints-while-sheltered-in-place-with-garrett-kell--24231707</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/24231707</guid><pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/24231707/pts04_27_on_shepherding_saints_while_sheltered_in_place.mp3" length="29227003" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1818</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,churches,epidemic,garrett,in-place,kell),leadership,pastoring,pastors,saints,sheltered,shepherding</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 119: On When the Church Can't Gather</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-119-on-when-the-church-can-t-gather--23972488</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/23972488</guid><pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2020 10:23:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/23972488/pts04_26_on_when_the_church_cant_gather.mp3" length="19274111" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1196</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,jonathan,leeman,mark</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Quick Take: What Should Churches Do About Coronavirus?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/quick-take-what-should-churches-do-about-coronavirus--23805633</link><description><![CDATA[In this Pastor's Talk mini-episode, Mark Dever discusses what pastors and churches should do in light of the Coronavirus pandemic.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/23805633</guid><pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/23805633/quick_take_what_should_churches_do_about_coronavirus.mp3" length="4822324" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this Pastor's Talk mini-episode, Mark Dever discusses what pastors and churches should do in light of the Coronavirus pandemic.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this Pastor's Talk mini-episode, Mark Dever discusses what pastors and churches should do in light of the Coronavirus pandemic.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>293</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>churches,coronavirus?,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 118: On Spontaneous Baptisms (with Caleb Morell)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-118-on-spontaneous-baptisms-with-caleb-morell--23709240</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/23709240</guid><pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 11:00:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/23709240/episode_118_on_spontaneous_baptisms.mp3" length="26907283" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1673</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,baptism,dever,jonathan,leeman,mark</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 117: On the Connection Between Baptism &amp; Church Membership</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-117-on-the-connection-between-baptism-church-membership--23423121</link><description><![CDATA[It should be exceedingly rare to baptize someone apart from local church membership. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the connection between the two.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/23423121</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2020 10:24:54 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/23423121/pts04_24_on_why_membership_follows_baptism.mp3" length="24557955" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>It should be exceedingly rare to baptize someone apart from local church membership. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the connection between the two.

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GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[It should be exceedingly rare to baptize someone apart from local church membership. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the connection between the two.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1527</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>baptism,church,membership</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 116: On Training Young Preachers (with Isaac Adams)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-116-on-training-young-preachers-with-isaac-adams--23148500</link><description><![CDATA[One of the best ways to raise up the next generation of preachers is to give unproven guys opportunities. In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Isaac Adams about training young preachers.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/23148500</guid><pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 06:35:14 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/23148500/pts04_23_on_training_young_preachers.mp3" length="26191327" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>One of the best ways to raise up the next generation of preachers is to give unproven guys opportunities. In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Isaac Adams about training young preachers.

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GET THE APP:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[One of the best ways to raise up the next generation of preachers is to give unproven guys opportunities. In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Isaac Adams about training young preachers.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1629</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,adams,church,dever,isaac,jonathan,leeman,mark,ministry,podcast,preach,preachers,preaching,talk,young</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 115: On the Regulative Principle</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-115-on-the-regulative-principle--22893922</link><description><![CDATA[God has told us in his Word how we ought to approach him in worship. This should shape how we plan our Sunday gatherings. But it also raises a question: Are we free to do things in our gatherings that God does not explicitly prescribe?<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/22893922</guid><pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 06:35:19 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/22893922/pts04_22_on_the_regulative_principle.mp3" length="24195154" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>God has told us in his Word how we ought to approach him in worship. This should shape how we plan our Sunday gatherings. But it also raises a question: Are we free to do things in our gatherings that God does not explicitly prescribe?

Join the...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[God has told us in his Word how we ought to approach him in worship. This should shape how we plan our Sunday gatherings. But it also raises a question: Are we free to do things in our gatherings that God does not explicitly prescribe?<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1504</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,bible,church,churches,dever,gospel,jonathan,leeman,mark,principle,regulative,workship</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 114: On Pastoring Difficult Members (with Nathan Knight &amp; John Joseph)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-114-on-pastoring-difficult-members-with-nathan-knight-john-joseph--22629559</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, John Joseph, and Nathan Knight about a topic every pastor knows well: how to care for difficult people.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/22629559</guid><pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 06:00:18 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/22629559/pts04_21_on_pastoring_difficult_members.mp3" length="27563911" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, John Joseph, and Nathan Knight about a topic every pastor knows well: how to care for difficult people.

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TWITTER:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, John Joseph, and Nathan Knight about a topic every pastor knows well: how to care for difficult people.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1715</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,difficult,mark,members,pastor,pastoring,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 113: On Biblical Theology (with Paul Alexander)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-113-on-biblical-theology-with-paul-alexander--22400536</link><description><![CDATA[In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark and Paul Alexander about biblical theology. They cover questions like:<br /><br />— How do we accurately preach Christ from the Old Testament?<br />— How should we preach Jesus as a moral example?<br />— How do we get better at this?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/22400536</guid><pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2020 10:19:20 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/22400536/pts04_20_on_biblical_theology.mp3" length="27928352" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark and Paul Alexander about biblical theology. They cover questions like:

— How do we accurately preach Christ from the Old Testament?
— How should we preach Jesus as a moral example?
— How do we...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark and Paul Alexander about biblical theology. They cover questions like:<br /><br />— How do we accurately preach Christ from the Old Testament?<br />— How should we preach Jesus as a moral example?<br />— How do we get better at this?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1737</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,biblical,dever,mark,pastors,talk,theology</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 112: On Planning &amp; Preaching for Non-Christians</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-112-on-planning-preaching-for-non-christians--22135515</link><description><![CDATA[To what degree should our services and sermons be aimed at non-Christians? How “seeker-sensitive” should we be?<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/22135515</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2020 06:00:14 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/22135515/pts04_19_on_planning_and_preaching_for_non_christians.mp3" length="27676370" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>To what degree should our services and sermons be aimed at non-Christians? How “seeker-sensitive” should we be?

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FACEBOOK:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[To what degree should our services and sermons be aimed at non-Christians? How “seeker-sensitive” should we be?<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1722</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,mark,non-christians,pastoring,pastors,preaching,preparation,sermon,sermons</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Preachers' Talk - Episode 1: On Preaching</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/preachers-talk-episode-1-on-preaching--21985845</link><description><![CDATA[In this inaugural episode of Preachers’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with three friends from Simeon Trust—David Helm, Ed Copeland, and Jeremy Meeks—about preaching. To listen to Preachers' Talk, visit 9Marks.org]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/21985845</guid><pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:46:53 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/21985845/2020_pt01_on_preaching_for_pastorstalk_feed.mp3" length="28770674" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this inaugural episode of Preachers’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with three friends from Simeon Trust—David Helm, Ed Copeland, and Jeremy Meeks—about preaching. To listen to Preachers' Talk, visit 9Marks.org</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this inaugural episode of Preachers’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with three friends from Simeon Trust—David Helm, Ed Copeland, and Jeremy Meeks—about preaching. To listen to Preachers' Talk, visit 9Marks.org]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1791</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,preach,preachers,preaching,simeon,talk,trust</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/cf337cfbf193f79c74cf1d0ff813b9de.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 111: On Expositional Preaching</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-111-on-expositional-preaching--21900693</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/21900693</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2020 06:00:09 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/21900693/pts04_18_on_expositional_preaching.mp3" length="26142004" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1626</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,expositional,preach,preaching,reading,sermons</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 110: On Preaching, the Supper, and the Unity of the Church (with Bobby Jamieson &amp; Mark Feather)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-110-on-preaching-the-supper-and-the-unity-of-the-church-with-bobby-jamieson-mark-feather--21661397</link><description><![CDATA[Recently, the well-known pastor and author Francis Chan made some alarming comments about preaching, the Lord’s Supper, and the unity of the church. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark Dever, Bobby Jamieson, and Mark Feather about Chan’s comments in particular and the topics of preaching, the Supper, and unity more generally.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/21661397</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 03:41:56 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/21661397/pts04_17_on_preaching_the_supper_and_the_unity_of_the_church.mp3" length="25949799" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Recently, the well-known pastor and author Francis Chan made some alarming comments about preaching, the Lord’s Supper, and the unity of the church. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark Dever, Bobby Jamieson, and Mark Feather...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Recently, the well-known pastor and author Francis Chan made some alarming comments about preaching, the Lord’s Supper, and the unity of the church. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark Dever, Bobby Jamieson, and Mark Feather about Chan’s comments in particular and the topics of preaching, the Supper, and unity more generally.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1614</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,of,preaching,supper,unity</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 109: On Complementarianism: A Moment of Reckoning</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-109-on-complementarianism-a-moment-of-reckoning--20822046</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal, Complementarianism: A Moment of Reckoning. Our Journals may be downloaded for free at 9Marks.org. <br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/20822046</guid><pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:30:17 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/20822046/pts04_16_on_complementarianism_a_moment_of_reckoning.mp3" length="29853520" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal, Complementarianism: A Moment of Reckoning. Our Journals may be downloaded for free at 9Marks.org. 

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GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal, Complementarianism: A Moment of Reckoning. Our Journals may be downloaded for free at 9Marks.org. <br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1858</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,complementarianism:,dever,jonathan,leeman,mark,moment,of,reckoning</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 108: On Why Pastoral Candidates Should NOT Put Their Best Foot Forward (with Blake Boylston)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-108-on-why-pastoral-candidates-should-not-put-their-best-foot-forward-with-blake-boylston--20623594</link><description><![CDATA[Prospective pastors, don’t put your best foot forward.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Blake Boylston about the interviewing and candidating process.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/20623594</guid><pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:28:55 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/20623594/pts04_15_on_why_pastoral_candidates_should_not_put_their_best_foot_forward.mp3" length="27798874" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Prospective pastors, don’t put your best foot forward.

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Blake Boylston about the interviewing and candidating process.

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GET THE APP:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Prospective pastors, don’t put your best foot forward.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Blake Boylston about the interviewing and candidating process.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1729</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>candidate,church,pastor</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 107: On Pastoring Amid Depression (with Blake Boylston)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-107-on-pastoring-amid-depression-with-blake-boylston--20450325</link><description><![CDATA[Christians get depressed, which means pastors get depressed, too. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark and Blake Boylston about how pastors ought to face seasons of depression.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/20450325</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/20450325/pts04_14_on_pastoring_amid_depression.mp3" length="36256204" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Christians get depressed, which means pastors get depressed, too. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark and Blake Boylston about how pastors ought to face seasons of depression.

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GET THE APP:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Christians get depressed, which means pastors get depressed, too. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark and Blake Boylston about how pastors ought to face seasons of depression.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2258</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,depression,dever,leadership,mark,pastoring,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 106: On Spiritual Gifts</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-106-on-spiritual-gifts--20270601</link><description><![CDATA[“I’m gifted in . . . ” How would you finish that sentence?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how our spiritual gifts are primarily meant for the body. Our gifts aren’t, first and foremost, about our ability, but others’ edification.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/20270601</guid><pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:50:16 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/20270601/pts04_13_on_spiritual_gifts.mp3" length="21936067" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>“I’m gifted in . . . ” How would you finish that sentence?

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how our spiritual gifts are primarily meant for the body. Our gifts aren’t, first and foremost, about our ability, but others’...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[“I’m gifted in . . . ” How would you finish that sentence?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how our spiritual gifts are primarily meant for the body. Our gifts aren’t, first and foremost, about our ability, but others’ edification.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1363</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,bible,gifts,pastors,spiritual,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 105: On Transitioning to Elders - Part 2</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-105-on-transitioning-to-elders-part-2--20103097</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/20103097</guid><pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2019 12:53:10 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/20103097/pts04_12_on_transitioning_to_elders_part_02.mp3" length="23608772" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1467</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,jonathan,leeman,mark</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 104: On Transitioning to Elders - Part 1</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-104-on-transitioning-to-elders-part-1--19977758</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/19977758</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 06:00:13 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/19977758/on_transitioning_to_elders_part_01.mp3" length="22652899" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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FACEBOOK:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about our new Journal—Heart of the Gospel: Penal Substitutionary Atonement.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1265</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,atonement,dever,jonathan,journal,leeman,mark,penal</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 93: On 1 Timothy 2:12 and Recent Complementarian Kerfuffles</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-93-on-1-timothy-2-12-and-recent-complementarian-kerfuffles--18372228</link><description><![CDATA[In recent months, complementarians have been in ongoing discussions about what precisely it means to be a complementarian. Does it mean that women ought not be pastors? Does it mean that women ought not preach in the church? What does 1 Timothy 2:12 specifically forbid?<br /><br />Unfortunately, many of these conversations yield more heat than light. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat about these recent complementarian kerfuffles, in particular how the two “sides” of the argument can disagree and converse with one another charitably.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/18372228</guid><pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:48:29 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/18372228/pts03_37_on_1_timothy_2_12_and_recent_complementarian_kerfuffles_v02.mp3" length="30368049" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In recent months, complementarians have been in ongoing discussions about what precisely it means to be a complementarian. Does it mean that women ought not be pastors? Does it mean that women ought not preach in the church? What does 1 Timothy 2:12...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In recent months, complementarians have been in ongoing discussions about what precisely it means to be a complementarian. Does it mean that women ought not be pastors? Does it mean that women ought not preach in the church? What does 1 Timothy 2:12 specifically forbid?<br /><br />Unfortunately, many of these conversations yield more heat than light. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat about these recent complementarian kerfuffles, in particular how the two “sides” of the argument can disagree and converse with one another charitably.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1890</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,complementarian,dever,jonathan,leadership,leeman,mark,preaching,women</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 92: Are Healthy Churches Enough for Today's Problems?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-92-are-healthy-churches-enough-for-today-s-problems--18300725</link><description><![CDATA[Our world is full of problems. But what can healthy churches do about it?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark to talk about different cultural problems—from the #MeToo movement to identity politics, from social justice concerns to persecution—and think through how pastors ought to address them.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/18300725</guid><pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:00:17 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/18300725/pts03_36_are_healthy_churches_enough_for_todays_problems.mp3" length="50261641" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Our world is full of problems. But what can healthy churches do about it?

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark to talk about different cultural problems—from the #MeToo movement to identity politics, from social justice...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Our world is full of problems. But what can healthy churches do about it?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark to talk about different cultural problems—from the #MeToo movement to identity politics, from social justice concerns to persecution—and think through how pastors ought to address them.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>3133</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,are,churches,dever,enough,for,healthy,mark,problems,sbc,todays</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 91: On the Highs and Lows of Denominational Life</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-91-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-denominational-life--18233512</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/18233512</guid><pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:25:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/18233512/pts03_35_on_the_highs_and_lows_of_denominational_life.mp3" length="18683561" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1160</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 90: On Pastoral Visits (with Brian Davis)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-90-on-pastoral-visits-with-brian-davis--18165011</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/18165011</guid><pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 07:05:09 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/18165011/pts03_34_on_pastoral_visits.mp3" length="27209876" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1692</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,brian,church,davis,pastoral,pastors,preaching,visits</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 89: On Baptism and Membership (with Ligon Duncan)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-89-on-baptism-and-membership-with-ligon-duncan--18097929</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/18097929</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2019 04:10:21 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/18097929/pts03_33_on_baptism_and_membership.mp3" length="29964659" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1865</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>baptism,membership</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 88: On the Prosperity Gospel (with Sean Demars &amp; Greg Gilbert)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-88-on-the-prosperity-gospel-with-sean-demars-greg-gilbert--18028238</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/18028238</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2019 12:22:31 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/18028238/pts03_32_on_the_prosperity_gospel.mp3" length="29580970" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1841</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 87: On Church Membership</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-87-on-church-membership--17920631</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about our new Journal—Church Membership: Following the Lord Together.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17920631</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2019 08:50:15 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17920631/pts03_31_on_church_membership.mp3" length="23538094" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about our new Journal—Church Membership: Following the Lord Together.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about our new Journal—Church Membership: Following the Lord Together.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1463</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,9marks.org,church,churches,dever,healthy,jonathan,journal,leadership,leeman,mark,membership,pastoral,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 86: On What is the Gospel (with Greg Gilbert)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-86-on-what-is-the-gospel-with-greg-gilbert--17853464</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17853464</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2019 08:00:14 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17853464/pts03_30_on_what_is_the_gospel.mp3" length="28264395" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1758</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,bible,christian,church,evangelism,gospel,ministry,pastoral,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 84: On Church Buildings</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-84-on-church-buildings--17717981</link><description><![CDATA[We know the church is comprised of the people, not the building. And yet, church buildings can be extremely valuable, useful, and vital for the health of long-term Christianity.<br /><br />In this conversation, Jonathan chats with Mark about these topics and more.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17717981</guid><pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2019 13:17:38 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17717981/pts03_28_on_church_buildings.mp3" length="19220170" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>We know the church is comprised of the people, not the building. And yet, church buildings can be extremely valuable, useful, and vital for the health of long-term Christianity.

In this conversation, Jonathan chats with Mark about these topics and...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[We know the church is comprised of the people, not the building. And yet, church buildings can be extremely valuable, useful, and vital for the health of long-term Christianity.<br /><br />In this conversation, Jonathan chats with Mark about these topics and more.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1193</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,buildings,church,churches,dever,healthy,mark</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 83: On Overcoming Fear in Personal Evangelism (with Isaac Adams)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-83-on-overcoming-fear-in-personal-evangelism-with-isaac-adams--17650555</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17650555</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2019 06:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17650555/episode_83_on_evangelism.mp3" length="30096292" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1873</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,evangelism,gospel,mark,pastors',share,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 82: On How Your Budget is a Spiritual Issue (with Jamie Dunlop)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-82-on-how-your-budget-is-a-spiritual-issue-with-jamie-dunlop--17496896</link><description><![CDATA[Jonathan talks to Jamie Dunlop about the new book, "Budgeting for a Healthy Church" now available in the 9Marks bookstore. Visit 9marks.org/bookstore for more. <br /><br />"If you want to see your church move toward health, the church budget has to move toward health."<br /><br />--<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17496896</guid><pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2019 08:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17496896/pts03_26_on_how_your_budget_is_a_spiritual_issue.mp3" length="29057297" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Jonathan talks to Jamie Dunlop about the new book, "Budgeting for a Healthy Church" now available in the 9Marks bookstore. Visit 9marks.org/bookstore for more. 

"If you want to see your church move toward health, the church budget has to move toward...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jonathan talks to Jamie Dunlop about the new book, "Budgeting for a Healthy Church" now available in the 9Marks bookstore. Visit 9marks.org/bookstore for more. <br /><br />"If you want to see your church move toward health, the church budget has to move toward health."<br /><br />--<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1808</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,budget,church,gospel,leaders,money</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 81: On the Christian Practice of Lament (with Mark Vroegop)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-81-on-the-christian-practice-of-lament-with-mark-vroegop--17436387</link><description><![CDATA[Lament is a "prayer in pain that leads to trust." <br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17436387</guid><pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:00:22 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17436387/episode_81_on_lament.mp3" length="28471677" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Lament is a "prayer in pain that leads to trust." 

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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1474</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>bible,pastoring,pastors,preach,preaching,schedule</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 79: On Funerals</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-79-on-funerals--17294100</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17294100</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2019 08:00:21 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17294100/pts03_23_on_funerals.mp3" length="21138169" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1313</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 78: On Pastoring Members in the Workplace (with Sebastian Traeger)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-78-on-pastoring-members-in-the-workplace-with-sebastian-traeger--17213846</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17213846</guid><pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2019 05:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17213846/pts03_22_on_pastoring_members_in_the_workplace.mp3" length="25380089" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1578</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,evangelism,gospel,jonathan,leeman,mark,sebastian,traeger,workplace</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 77: On Living Close to your Church</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-77-on-living-close-to-your-church--17152782</link><description><![CDATA[When deciding where to live, Christians ought to consider normal factors: school district, safety, etc. But they should also consider—and perhaps even prioritize—how location affects their relationships at church.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17152782</guid><pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2019 09:00:22 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17152782/pts03_21_on_living_close_to_your_church.mp3" length="22355304" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>When deciding where to live, Christians ought to consider normal factors: school district, safety, etc. But they should also consider—and perhaps even prioritize—how location affects their relationships at church.

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Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss the principle of churches paying their pastors....</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[The Great Commission has been fulfilled, at least in part, by local Christians setting aside money to pay someone to teach them God’s Word full-time when possible.<br /><br />Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss the principle of churches paying their pastors.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a><br />BOOKSTORE: <a href="https://www.9marks.org/bookstore" rel="noopener">https://www.9marks.org/bookstore</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1544</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,ministry,pastoral,preach,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 75: On Church Planting (with Brian Davis and Nathan Knight)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-75-on-church-planting-with-brian-davis-and-nathan-knight--17019982</link><description><![CDATA[What’s the difference between a church plant and a church? Is it best to start a church with a team of pastors rather than a solo pastor?<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/17019982</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:52:54 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/17019982/pts03_19_on_church_planting_v02.mp3" length="29401654" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What’s the difference between a church plant and a church? Is it best to start a church with a team of pastors rather than a solo pastor?

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FACEBOOK:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What’s the difference between a church plant and a church? Is it best to start a church with a team of pastors rather than a solo pastor?<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1829</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 74: On Ecclesiology for Calvinists (with Sam Emadi)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-74-on-ecclesiology-for-calvinists-with-sam-emadi--16951559</link><description><![CDATA[For this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviewed Mark Dever and Sam Emadi about our new Journal, Ecclesiology for Calvinists. Download the 9Marks Journal at <a href="http://9marks.org" rel="noopener">http://9marks.org</a> .<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16951559</guid><pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2019 07:00:20 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16951559/episode_73_on_ecclesiology_for_calvinist_journal.mp3" length="25614982" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>For this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviewed Mark Dever and Sam Emadi about our new Journal, Ecclesiology for Calvinists. Download the 9Marks Journal at http://9marks.org .

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GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[For this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviewed Mark Dever and Sam Emadi about our new Journal, Ecclesiology for Calvinists. Download the 9Marks Journal at <a href="http://9marks.org" rel="noopener">http://9marks.org</a> .<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1593</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,calvinism,calvinist,church,ministry,pastor,pastoral,pastors,preacher,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 73: On The Lord's Supper (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-73-on-the-lord-s-supper-with-bobby-jamieson--16866013</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan asks Mark and Bobby a bunch of questions about the Lord’s Supper. What’s the most biblical position: open, close, or closed? Should the Supper be given at small groups and summer camps, weddings and nursing homes? How often—weekly, monthly, quarterly?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16866013</guid><pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2019 03:00:21 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16866013/pts03_17_on_the_lords_supper.mp3" length="28251434" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan asks Mark and Bobby a bunch of questions about the Lord’s Supper. What’s the most biblical position: open, close, or closed? Should the Supper be given at small groups and summer camps, weddings and nursing...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan asks Mark and Bobby a bunch of questions about the Lord’s Supper. What’s the most biblical position: open, close, or closed? Should the Supper be given at small groups and summer camps, weddings and nursing homes? How often—weekly, monthly, quarterly?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1758</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,baptist,church,lords,ordenance,sacraments,supper</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 72: On Baptism (with Bobby Jamieson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-72-on-baptism-with-bobby-jamieson--16809761</link><description><![CDATA[Almost every Christian denomination and tradition practices baptism. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan are joined by Bobby Jamieson to discuss practical questions about baptism and its connection to the local church.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16809761</guid><pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:09:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16809761/pts03_16_on_baptism.mp3" length="29865991" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Almost every Christian denomination and tradition practices baptism. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan are joined by Bobby Jamieson to discuss practical questions about baptism and its connection to the local church.

Join the 9Marks...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Almost every Christian denomination and tradition practices baptism. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan are joined by Bobby Jamieson to discuss practical questions about baptism and its connection to the local church.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1858</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>baptism,church,ministry,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 71: On Canceling Church</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-71-on-canceling-church--16711668</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode, Mark and Jonathan discuss the biblical and theological principles for why Christians gather on Sundays, and why, generally speaking, those principles make canceling any Sunday gathering an unusual choice.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16711668</guid><pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 05:00:22 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16711668/episode_70_on_cancelling_church.mp3" length="22646186" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Mark and Jonathan discuss the biblical and theological principles for why Christians gather on Sundays, and why, generally speaking, those principles make canceling any Sunday gathering an unusual choice.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Mark and Jonathan discuss the biblical and theological principles for why Christians gather on Sundays, and why, generally speaking, those principles make canceling any Sunday gathering an unusual choice.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1407</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>cancelling,church,meeting,service</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 70: On Church Revitalization (with Aaron Menikoff &amp; Andy Davis)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-70-on-church-revitalization-with-aaron-menikoff-andy-davis--16659189</link><description><![CDATA[What do pastors in the throes of church revitalization need to know? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark and two other pastors who went through a revitalization, Andy Davis and Aaron Menikoff.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16659189</guid><pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2019 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16659189/pts03_14_on_church_revitalization_v02.mp3" length="27426809" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What do pastors in the throes of church revitalization need to know? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark and two other pastors who went through a revitalization, Andy Davis and Aaron Menikoff.

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GET THE...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What do pastors in the throes of church revitalization need to know? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark and two other pastors who went through a revitalization, Andy Davis and Aaron Menikoff.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1706</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,planting,revitalization</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 69: On Pastoral Calling (with Brad Wheeler)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-69-on-pastoral-calling-with-brad-wheeler--16511208</link><description><![CDATA[How does a man discern whether he ought to pursue pastoral ministry? What if he's already in a successful career?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Brad Wheeler about how the Lord led him away from a career in finance to pastoral ministry.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16511208</guid><pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:31:49 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16511208/pts03_13_on_pastoral_calling.mp3" length="24962511" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How does a man discern whether he ought to pursue pastoral ministry? What if he's already in a successful career?

In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Brad Wheeler about how the Lord led him away from a career in finance to...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How does a man discern whether he ought to pursue pastoral ministry? What if he's already in a successful career?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Brad Wheeler about how the Lord led him away from a career in finance to pastoral ministry.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1552</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>call,church,ministry,pastor,pastoral,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 68: On Missionaries and Churches (with Andy Johnson and John Folmar)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-68-on-missionaries-and-churches-with-andy-johnson-and-john-folmar--16440552</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark, John Folmar, and Andy Johnson to talk about healthy churches and global missions.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16440552</guid><pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:12:44 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16440552/pts03_12_on_missionaries_and_churches.mp3" length="27168518" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark, John Folmar, and Andy Johnson to talk about healthy churches and global missions.

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TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark, John Folmar, and Andy Johnson to talk about healthy churches and global missions.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1690</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,churches,evangelism,gospel,missionaries,missionfield,missions,pastors,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 67: On Hospitality and the Gospel (with Kent &amp; Rosaria Butterfield)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-67-on-hospitality-and-the-gospel-with-kent-rosaria-butterfield--16381260</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16381260</guid><pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 12:59:34 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16381260/pts03_11_on_hospitality_and_the_gospel.mp3" length="54203374" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>3380</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,christian,christianity,evangelism,family,gospel,home,hospitality</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 66: On Contextualization (with John Folmar and Trip Lee)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-66-on-contextualization-with-john-folmar-and-trip-lee--16320400</link><description><![CDATA[What’s the goal in contextualization? How do we know if we’ve gone too far, or not far enough?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16320400</guid><pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:06:22 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16320400/pts03_10_on_contextualization_and_the_nine_marks.mp3" length="33968318" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What’s the goal in contextualization? How do we know if we’ve gone too far, or not far enough?</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What’s the goal in contextualization? How do we know if we’ve gone too far, or not far enough?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2115</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,churches,context,contextualization,evangelism,gospel,healthy,pastors,preaching,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 65: On Jonathan's New Book, The Rule of Love</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-65-on-jonathan-s-new-book-the-rule-of-love--16262919</link><description><![CDATA[The Bible tells us that “God is love.” But what does that actually mean? And what does it have to do with our lives and the local church?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about Jonathan’s new book, The Rule of Love.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16262919</guid><pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2018 04:00:14 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16262919/on_jonathan_leemans_new_book_the_rule_of_love.mp3" length="26770194" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>The Bible tells us that “God is love.” But what does that actually mean? And what does it have to do with our lives and the local church?

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about Jonathan’s new book, The Rule of Love.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[The Bible tells us that “God is love.” But what does that actually mean? And what does it have to do with our lives and the local church?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about Jonathan’s new book, The Rule of Love.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1665</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,authority,church,love,ministry</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 64: On Equipping the Church to Fight Pornography Together (with Deepak Reju)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-64-on-equipping-the-church-to-fight-pornography-together-with-deepak-reju--16151487</link><description><![CDATA[It’s vital for individual Christians to pursue holiness. But how can church members work *together* in fighting against the sin of pornography?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16151487</guid><pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2018 05:00:07 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16151487/pts03_08_on_the_church_and_pornography.mp3" length="29889851" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>It’s vital for individual Christians to pursue holiness. But how can church members work *together* in fighting against the sin of pornography?</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s vital for individual Christians to pursue holiness. But how can church members work *together* in fighting against the sin of pornography?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1860</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,counsel,ministry,pastor,pastoral,pastors,porn,pornography,purity</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 63: On The Pastor and Pornography</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-63-on-the-pastor-and-pornography--16143920</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16143920</guid><pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:15:10 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16143920/pts03_07_on_the_pastor_and_pornography.mp3" length="29598534" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1842</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>pastor,pastors,pornography</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 62: On How to Prepare a Church to Practice Discipline</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-62-on-how-to-prepare-a-church-to-practice-discipline--16088053</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/16088053</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2018 05:10:21 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/16088053/episode_62_on_how_to_prepare_a_church_to_practice_discipline.mp3" length="21455475" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:
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TWITTER:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[‪How should a pastor shepherd people through disagreement? How should he balance the tension between being a truth-teller and a peacemaker?‬ ‪Mark and Jonathan discuss.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1629</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,disagreement,ministry,pastoral,pastoring,shepherding</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 60: On Cultivating a Culture of Evangelism</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-60-on-cultivating-a-culture-of-evangelism--15969703</link><description><![CDATA[Churches shouldn’t farm out personal evangelism to pastors, professionals, or programs. Instead, the goal for every church ought to be a culture of evangelism.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/15969703</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2018 04:00:50 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/15969703/pts03_04_on_how_to_cultivate_a_culture_of_evangelism.mp3" length="18428602" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Churches shouldn’t farm out personal evangelism to pastors, professionals, or programs. Instead, the goal for every church ought to be a culture of evangelism.

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TWITTER:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Churches shouldn’t farm out personal evangelism to pastors, professionals, or programs. Instead, the goal for every church ought to be a culture of evangelism.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1144</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,evangelism,gospel,ministry,pastor,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 59: On Teaching the Church about the Church</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-59-on-teaching-the-church-about-the-church--15911802</link><description><![CDATA[Pastors must teach their people about what a church is. If they don’t, then who will?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about this often overlooked part of a pastor’s job description.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/15911802</guid><pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2018 04:00:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/15911802/on_teaching_the_church_about_the_church.mp3" length="21112312" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Pastors must teach their people about what a church is. If they don’t, then who will?

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about this often overlooked part of a pastor’s job description.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Pastors must teach their people about what a church is. If they don’t, then who will?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about this often overlooked part of a pastor’s job description.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1311</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,pastors,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 58: On Members Meetings</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-58-on-members-meetings--15856606</link><description><![CDATA[Are members’ meetings in the Bible? How can a pastor cultivate a culture where people care about the business of their church? What tone should mark these kinds of meetings?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss members meetings—what they are, where they are in the Bible, and how to make them of spiritual interest.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/15856606</guid><pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2018 05:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/15856606/pts03_02_on_what_s_the_use_of_members_meetings.mp3" length="22648306" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Are members’ meetings in the Bible? How can a pastor cultivate a culture where people care about the business of their church? What tone should mark these kinds of meetings?

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss members...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Are members’ meetings in the Bible? How can a pastor cultivate a culture where people care about the business of their church? What tone should mark these kinds of meetings?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss members meetings—what they are, where they are in the Bible, and how to make them of spiritual interest.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1407</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,mark,meeting,membership,pastoral,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 57: On Prayer (with John Onwuchekwa)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-57-on-prayer-with-john-onwuchekwa--15739626</link><description><![CDATA[In the season premiere of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan and Mark sit down with John Onwuchekwa to talk about his new 9Marks book Prayer: How Praying Together Shapes the Church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/15739626</guid><pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:05:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/15739626/pts03_01_on_the_book_prayer.mp3" length="28043286" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In the season premiere of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan and Mark sit down with John Onwuchekwa to talk about his new 9Marks book Prayer: How Praying Together Shapes the Church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In the season premiere of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan and Mark sit down with John Onwuchekwa to talk about his new 9Marks book Prayer: How Praying Together Shapes the Church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1745</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,life,ministry,pastoral,pastoring,prayer,spiritual</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 56: On Pastoral Burnout</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-56-on-pastoral-burnout--15268045</link><description><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan discuss the subject of burnout, particularly how it happens and what church leaders can do to avoid it in the first place.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/15268045</guid><pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2018 03:05:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/15268045/pts03_00_on_pastoral_burnout.mp3" length="28536479" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark and Jonathan discuss the subject of burnout, particularly how it happens and what church leaders can do to avoid it in the first place.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark and Jonathan discuss the subject of burnout, particularly how it happens and what church leaders can do to avoid it in the first place.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1775</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,burnout,journal,pastoral</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 55: On the Ministry of Good Christian Books</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-55-on-the-ministry-of-good-christian-books--14969651</link><description><![CDATA[Good books help us follow Jesus. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss instrumental books in Mark’s conversion, what books every prospective pastor should read, and what books church leaders should hand out to their people.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14969651</guid><pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14969651/on_the_ministry_of_good_christian_books.mp3" length="28855841" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Good books help us follow Jesus. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss instrumental books in Mark’s conversion, what books every prospective pastor should read, and what books church leaders should hand out to their people.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Good books help us follow Jesus. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss instrumental books in Mark’s conversion, what books every prospective pastor should read, and what books church leaders should hand out to their people.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1795</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>books,church,ministry,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 54: On “Broad” &amp; “Narrow” Complementarianism</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-54-on-broad-narrow-complementarianism--14919342</link><description><![CDATA[Complementarianism is an umbrella term, under which Christians with both “narrow” and “broad” convictions stand.<br /><br />Narrow complementarians are reluctant to say much more about the differences between men and women beyond texts like Ephesians 5:22 and 1 Tim. 2:12. “Broad” complementarians place these Pauline precepts inside of a larger theological “vision” or “definition” of manhood and womanhood that applies to all of life.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever talk about these theological distinctions, and how they sometimes threaten the unity of local churches.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14919342</guid><pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2018 19:10:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14919342/pts02_35_on_complementarianism.mp3" length="25726963" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Complementarianism is an umbrella term, under which Christians with both “narrow” and “broad” convictions stand.&#13;
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Narrow complementarians are reluctant to say much more about the differences between men and women beyond texts like Ephesians 5:22 and...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Complementarianism is an umbrella term, under which Christians with both “narrow” and “broad” convictions stand.<br /><br />Narrow complementarians are reluctant to say much more about the differences between men and women beyond texts like Ephesians 5:22 and 1 Tim. 2:12. “Broad” complementarians place these Pauline precepts inside of a larger theological “vision” or “definition” of manhood and womanhood that applies to all of life.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever talk about these theological distinctions, and how they sometimes threaten the unity of local churches.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1600</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>complementarianism,marriage</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 53: On Deacons</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-53-on-deacons--14850343</link><description><![CDATA[What does a biblical deacon do? How do they differ from elders? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan talks to Mark about the biblical office of deacon.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14850343</guid><pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 03:15:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14850343/pts02_34_on_deacons.mp3" length="27715173" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What does a biblical deacon do? How do they differ from elders? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan talks to Mark about the biblical office of deacon.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What does a biblical deacon do? How do they differ from elders? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan talks to Mark about the biblical office of deacon.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1724</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,deacons,is,leadership,ministry,pastoral,what</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 52: On the Sufficiency of Scripture</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-52-on-the-sufficiency-of-scripture--14793124</link><description><![CDATA[What do we mean when we say that Scripture is “sufficient”? Does the sufficiency of Scripture have anything to do with pastoral ministry? Does it shackle pastors or does it provide them reassurance?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about these questions and more.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14793124</guid><pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 03:20:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14793124/pts02_33_on_the_sufficiency_of_scripture.mp3" length="25742029" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What do we mean when we say that Scripture is “sufficient”? Does the sufficiency of Scripture have anything to do with pastoral ministry? Does it shackle pastors or does it provide them reassurance?&#13;
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In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What do we mean when we say that Scripture is “sufficient”? Does the sufficiency of Scripture have anything to do with pastoral ministry? Does it shackle pastors or does it provide them reassurance?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about these questions and more.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1601</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 51: On How the Reformation Changed Sunday Gatherings (with Jonathan Gibson)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-51-on-how-the-reformation-changed-sunday-gatherings-with-jonathan-gibson--14727770</link><description><![CDATA[Through the liturgies of the Reformation, evangelical doctrine was as much caught in public worship as it was taught in published writings]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14727770</guid><pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2018 03:50:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14727770/pts02_32_on_how_the_reformation_changed_sunday_morning_gatherings.mp3" length="32744149" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Through the liturgies of the Reformation, evangelical doctrine was as much caught in public worship as it was taught in published writings</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Through the liturgies of the Reformation, evangelical doctrine was as much caught in public worship as it was taught in published writings]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2038</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,ministry,morning,pastoral,pastoring,pastors,planting,protestant,reformation,revitalization,sunday</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 50: On the Role of Associate Pastors</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-50-on-the-role-of-associate-pastors--14670684</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with pastors Jamie Dunlop and Bobby Jamieson to discuss their roles, and how their work complements Mark’s as the senior pastor.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14670684</guid><pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2018 03:20:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14670684/pts02_31_on_associates_pastors.mp3" length="30161510" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with pastors Jamie Dunlop and Bobby Jamieson to discuss their roles, and how their work complements Mark’s as the senior pastor.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with pastors Jamie Dunlop and Bobby Jamieson to discuss their roles, and how their work complements Mark’s as the senior pastor.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1877</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,associate,church,churches,healthy,pastoring,pastors,preaching</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 49: On How the Nations Rage</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-49-on-how-the-nations-rage--14612073</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode, Mark chats with Jonathan about his new book How the Nations Rage: Rethinking Faith & Politics in a Divided Age.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14612073</guid><pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2018 03:20:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14612073/pts02_30_how_the_nations_rage_book_launch_v02.mp3" length="28839533" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Mark chats with Jonathan about his new book How the Nations Rage: Rethinking Faith &amp; Politics in a Divided Age.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Mark chats with Jonathan about his new book How the Nations Rage: Rethinking Faith & Politics in a Divided Age.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1794</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,ministry,nations,pastoral,pastors,politics,rage,seminary</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 48: On Core Seminars and Sunday School</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-48-on-core-seminars-and-sunday-school--14554462</link><description><![CDATA[For many churches, the Sunday School hour has gone by the wayside. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how Core Seminar classes can become a vital ministry for any local church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14554462</guid><pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2018 04:15:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14554462/pts02_29_on_core_seminars.mp3" length="24089807" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>For many churches, the Sunday School hour has gone by the wayside. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how Core Seminar classes can become a vital ministry for any local church.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[For many churches, the Sunday School hour has gone by the wayside. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how Core Seminar classes can become a vital ministry for any local church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1497</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 47: On T4G and Celebrity Pastors</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-47-on-t4g-and-celebrity-pastors--14499031</link><description><![CDATA[We're gearing up for the sixth Together for the Gospel conference. Does this conference—which will host 12,000+ people—exacerbate the problem of celebrity pastors, especially as articulated recently on TGC by Andy Crouch?<br /><br />Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss this question among many others.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14499031</guid><pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2018 04:10:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14499031/pts02_28_on_t4g_and_celebrity_pastors.mp3" length="28511421" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>We're gearing up for the sixth Together for the Gospel conference. Does this conference—which will host 12,000+ people—exacerbate the problem of celebrity pastors, especially as articulated recently on TGC by Andy Crouch?&#13;
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Mark Dever and Jonathan...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[We're gearing up for the sixth Together for the Gospel conference. Does this conference—which will host 12,000+ people—exacerbate the problem of celebrity pastors, especially as articulated recently on TGC by Andy Crouch?<br /><br />Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss this question among many others.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1774</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,celebrity,church,ministry,pastoral,pastors,t4g</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 46: On Biblical Theology</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-46-on-biblical-theology--14443268</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode, Mark and Jonathan sit down with Nick Roark, a pastor and the author of the new book "Biblical Theology: How the Church Faithfully Teaches the Gospel".]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14443268</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2018 03:50:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14443268/pts02_27_on_the_book_biblical_theology_v02.mp3" length="28796471" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Mark and Jonathan sit down with Nick Roark, a pastor and the author of the new book "Biblical Theology: How the Church Faithfully Teaches the Gospel".</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Mark and Jonathan sit down with Nick Roark, a pastor and the author of the new book "Biblical Theology: How the Church Faithfully Teaches the Gospel".]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1792</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>bible,biblical,church,doctrine,pastors,theology</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 45: On Elders Meetings (Part 2)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-45-on-elders-meetings-part-2--14388495</link><description><![CDATA[Jonathan and Mark continue their conversation on elders' meetings, exploring common questions like: should elders require unanimity? What should a new pastor do if he inherits a contentious elder? Should close decisions be delayed, or should elders just move forward? How can senior pastors resist the temptation to dominate every meeting?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14388495</guid><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:20:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14388495/pts02_26_on_elders_meetings_part_2.mp3" length="29703014" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Jonathan and Mark continue their conversation on elders' meetings, exploring common questions like: should elders require unanimity? What should a new pastor do if he inherits a contentious elder? Should close decisions be delayed, or should elders...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jonathan and Mark continue their conversation on elders' meetings, exploring common questions like: should elders require unanimity? What should a new pastor do if he inherits a contentious elder? Should close decisions be delayed, or should elders just move forward? How can senior pastors resist the temptation to dominate every meeting?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1848</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,ministry,pastoral</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 44: On Elders Meetings (Part 1)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-44-on-elders-meetings-part-1--14332606</link><description><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14332606</guid><pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2018 03:30:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14332606/pts02_25_on_elders_meetings_part_1.mp3" length="22415060" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Join the 9Marks community:&#13;
GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app&#13;
TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks&#13;
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INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1393</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,elder,leadership,meeting,ministry,pastoral</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 43: On Pastoring Through Theological Controversies</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-43-on-pastoring-through-theological-controversies--14269850</link><description><![CDATA[It's not a pastor's job to have a PhD. But pastors *are* called to protect the flock from false teachers, and to shepherd people through theological questions and concerns.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan are joined by Ligon Duncan of Reformed Theological Seminary to talk through these issues.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14269850</guid><pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2018 03:30:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14269850/pts02_24_on_pastoring_through_theological_controversies.mp3" length="30334177" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>It's not a pastor's job to have a PhD. But pastors *are* called to protect the flock from false teachers, and to shepherd people through theological questions and concerns.&#13;
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In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan are joined by Ligon...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[It's not a pastor's job to have a PhD. But pastors *are* called to protect the flock from false teachers, and to shepherd people through theological questions and concerns.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan are joined by Ligon Duncan of Reformed Theological Seminary to talk through these issues.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1888</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,ministry,pastoral,pastoring,pastors,theology</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 42: On the Usefulness of Pastoral Internships</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-42-on-the-usefulness-of-pastoral-internships--14205886</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Matt Merker—a pastoral assistant at Capitol Hill Baptist Church—chats with Mark Dever about the usefulness of pastoral internships.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14205886</guid><pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 03:30:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14205886/pts02_23_on_running_an_internship_v02.mp3" length="28266071" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Matt Merker—a pastoral assistant at Capitol Hill Baptist Church—chats with Mark Dever about the usefulness of pastoral internships.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Matt Merker—a pastoral assistant at Capitol Hill Baptist Church—chats with Mark Dever about the usefulness of pastoral internships.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1758</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,churches,elders,internship,leadership,ministry,pastor,pastoral,pastoring,plural</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 41: On Prayer Service</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-41-on-prayer-service--14148729</link><description><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss the benefits and best practices of hosting a regular, church-wide prayer gathering—in addition to the Sunday service.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14148729</guid><pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2018 03:25:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14148729/pts02_22_on_prayer_service.mp3" length="26100610" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss the benefits and best practices of hosting a regular, church-wide prayer gathering—in addition to the Sunday service.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss the benefits and best practices of hosting a regular, church-wide prayer gathering—in addition to the Sunday service.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1623</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,ministry,pastor,pastoral,pastoring,prayer</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 40: On Facing Disappointment</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-40-on-facing-disappointment--14096122</link><description><![CDATA[How should pastors respond when their ministry is marked by disappointment and unmet expectations?<br /><br />"Pastor, if you’re discouraged by a lack of fruit, stop looking at the past 20 days. Look at the past 20 years." — Mark Dever]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/14096122</guid><pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:49:43 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14096122/pts02_21_on_facing_disappointment.mp3" length="27975589" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How should pastors respond when their ministry is marked by disappointment and unmet expectations?&#13;
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"Pastor, if you’re discouraged by a lack of fruit, stop looking at the past 20 days. Look at the past 20 years." — Mark Dever</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How should pastors respond when their ministry is marked by disappointment and unmet expectations?<br /><br />"Pastor, if you’re discouraged by a lack of fruit, stop looking at the past 20 days. Look at the past 20 years." — Mark Dever]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1740</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,disappointment,discouragement,healthy,ministry,pastoral,pastoring,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 39: On Mere Christianity</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-39-on-mere-christianity--14034617</link><description><![CDATA[Is “mere Christianity”—the conviction that we should focus on only what’s essential to being a Christian—really the path toward true Christian unity? 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Does it guard the gospel over time?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1711</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,christianity,church,leadership,life,ministry,pastoral</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 38: On the Pastor's Heart and Other Churches</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-38-on-the-pastor-s-heart-and-other-churches--13979278</link><description><![CDATA[Pastors are used to saying goodbye to long-time friends. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about how to prepare for these sad-but-joyful moments.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13979278</guid><pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2018 02:40:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13979278/pts02_19_on_the_pastors_heart_and_other_churches.mp3" length="23776385" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Pastors are used to saying goodbye to long-time friends. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about how to prepare for these sad-but-joyful moments.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Pastors are used to saying goodbye to long-time friends. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about how to prepare for these sad-but-joyful moments.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1478</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,deacons,ministry,pastoral</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 37: On the 20th Anniversary of 9Marks</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-37-on-the-20th-anniversary-of-9marks--13923075</link><description><![CDATA[January 2018 marks the 20th anniversary of 9Marks. To celebrate that milestone, Jonathan interviewed the two guys who were there when it all began: Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13923075</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2018 11:37:41 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13923075/pts02_18_on_the_20th_anniversary.mp3" length="26374385" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>January 2018 marks the 20th anniversary of 9Marks. To celebrate that milestone, Jonathan interviewed the two guys who were there when it all began: Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[January 2018 marks the 20th anniversary of 9Marks. To celebrate that milestone, Jonathan interviewed the two guys who were there when it all began: Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1640</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,ministry,pastoral,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 36: On Discipling</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-36-on-discipling--13863310</link><description><![CDATA[Discipling doesn’t need to be tethered to an elaborate program. Instead, it should be a part of a church’s culture. That’s easy to say, but hard to implement.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about discipling in the local church.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13863310</guid><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2018 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13863310/pts02_17_on_discipling.mp3" length="28577428" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Discipling doesn’t need to be tethered to an elaborate program. Instead, it should be a part of a church’s culture. That’s easy to say, but hard to implement.&#13;
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In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about discipling...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Discipling doesn’t need to be tethered to an elaborate program. Instead, it should be a part of a church’s culture. That’s easy to say, but hard to implement.<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about discipling in the local church.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1778</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,christian,church,discipleship,discipling</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 35: On Leadership (with H.B. Charles, Burk Parsons, and Jeramie Rinne)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-35-on-leadership-with-h-b-charles-burk-parsons-and-jeramie-rinne--13815222</link><description><![CDATA[Jonathan Leeman interviews four seasoned pastors—Mark Dever, Burk Parsons, H. B. Charles, and Jeramie Rinne—about leadership.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13815222</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:06:09 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13815222/pts02_16_interview_on_leadership_at_sebts_2017.mp3" length="36481502" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Jonathan Leeman interviews four seasoned pastors—Mark Dever, Burk Parsons, H. B. Charles, and Jeramie Rinne—about leadership.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jonathan Leeman interviews four seasoned pastors—Mark Dever, Burk Parsons, H. B. Charles, and Jeramie Rinne—about leadership.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>2272</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,ministry,pastoral,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 34: On Church Discipline</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-34-on-church-discipline--13757678</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13757678</guid><pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:36:47 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13757678/pts02_15_on_church_discipline.mp3" length="23986161" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:duration>1491</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,discipline,jonathan,leadership,leeman,mark,membership,ministry,pastoral,pastoring,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 33: On Race (part 2)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-33-on-race-part-2--13617613</link><description><![CDATA[Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman continue their conversation about racial division in the church, highlighting the ways pastors can both educate themselves and work against it.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13617613</guid><pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2017 02:10:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13617613/pts02_14_on_race_part_2.mp3" length="30821453" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman continue their conversation about racial division in the church, highlighting the ways pastors can both educate themselves and work against it.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman continue their conversation about racial division in the church, highlighting the ways pastors can both educate themselves and work against it.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1918</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,markdever,ministry,race</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 32: Remembering R.C. Sproul</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-32-remembering-r-c-sproul--13615311</link><description><![CDATA[Mark Dever reflects on his friendship with the late R.C. Sproul.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13615311</guid><pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2017 14:55:44 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13615311/pts02_13_remembering_rc_sproul.mp3" length="14619701" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark Dever reflects on his friendship with the late R.C. Sproul.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark Dever reflects on his friendship with the late R.C. Sproul.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>905</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,ligonier,markdever,sproul</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 31: On Race (Part 1)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-31-on-race-part-1--13559553</link><description><![CDATA[Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about America's racial history, and how Christians should learn from brothers and sisters who aren't like them.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13559553</guid><pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2017 02:10:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13559553/pts02_12_on_race_part_1.mp3" length="28379736" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about America's racial history, and how Christians should learn from brothers and sisters who aren't like them.&#13;
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Join the 9Marks community:&#13;
GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app&#13;
TWITTER:...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about America's racial history, and how Christians should learn from brothers and sisters who aren't like them.<br /><br />Join the 9Marks community:<br />GET THE APP: <a href="http://9marks.link/app" rel="noopener">http://9marks.link/app</a><br />TWITTER: <a href="https://www.twitter.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.twitter.com/9Marks</a><br />FACEBOOK: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.facebook.com/9Marks</a><br />INSTAGRAM: <a href="https://www.instragram.com/9Marks" rel="noopener">https://www.instragram.com/9Marks</a>]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1765</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,ethnicity,pastoralministry,pastors,race</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 29: On Sermon Preparation</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-29-on-sermon-preparation--13448020</link><description><![CDATA[How long should a preacher prep for his sermons? When and how should he consult commentaries? What’s the best way to involve others in the process?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13448020</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:49:02 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13448020/pts02_10_on_sermon_preparation.mp3" length="26030401" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How long should a preacher prep for his sermons? When and how should he consult commentaries? What’s the best way to involve others in the process?</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How long should a preacher prep for his sermons? When and how should he consult commentaries? What’s the best way to involve others in the process?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1619</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,pastoralministry,pastorstalk,preaching,sermons</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 28: On Seminary &amp; Pastoral Training (with C. J. Mahaney)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-28-on-seminary-pastoral-training-with-c-j-mahaney--13379146</link><description><![CDATA[Almost everyone agrees pastors need to be trained, both practically and theologically. But does this mean they must receive formal theological training from a seminary?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews both Mark and C. J. Mahaney about how pastors should be trained, and what seminaries have to do with it.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13379146</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2017 02:05:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13379146/pts02_09_on_seminary_studies.mp3" length="27192324" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Almost everyone agrees pastors need to be trained, both practically and theologically. But does this mean they must receive formal theological training from a seminary?&#13;
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In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews both Mark and C. J....</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Almost everyone agrees pastors need to be trained, both practically and theologically. But does this mean they must receive formal theological training from a seminary?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews both Mark and C. J. Mahaney about how pastors should be trained, and what seminaries have to do with it.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1691</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,leadership,pastoralministry,pastors,seminary</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 27: On How to Find a Pastor</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-27-on-how-to-find-a-pastor--13316597</link><description><![CDATA[How should a church find its next pastor? Who makes this decision? A search committee? A group of elders? The pastor all by himself? And once such a search begins, how should it start?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about “one of the most important decisions a church makes,” that is, finding its next pastor.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13316597</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 03:00:06 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13316597/on_how_to_find_a_pastor.mp3" length="26596740" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How should a church find its next pastor? Who makes this decision? A search committee? A group of elders? The pastor all by himself? And once such a search begins, how should it start?&#13;
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In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How should a church find its next pastor? Who makes this decision? A search committee? A group of elders? The pastor all by himself? And once such a search begins, how should it start?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about “one of the most important decisions a church makes,” that is, finding its next pastor.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1654</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,ministry,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 26: On Multi-Site Churches (with Matt Chandler)</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-26-on-multi-site-churches-with-matt-chandler--13260315</link><description><![CDATA[Over the past several decades, the multi-site church model has become quite popular. Recently, however, The Village Church, pastored by Matt Chandler, announced it was transitioning all of its sites into independent local churches. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Matt to talk about the reasons behind this decision.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13260315</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2017 03:00:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13260315/pts02_07_on_multi_sites.mp3" length="23444474" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Over the past several decades, the multi-site church model has become quite popular. Recently, however, The Village Church, pastored by Matt Chandler, announced it was transitioning all of its sites into independent local churches. In this episode of...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Over the past several decades, the multi-site church model has become quite popular. Recently, however, The Village Church, pastored by Matt Chandler, announced it was transitioning all of its sites into independent local churches. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Matt to talk about the reasons behind this decision.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1457</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,chandler,church,dever,multi-site</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 25: On the Mission of the Church</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-25-on-the-mission-of-the-church--13206457</link><description><![CDATA[What is the mission of the church? Is it to preach the gospel and make disciples—or is that too narrow? What about good works? What about seeking transformation for our neighborhoods—or is that too broad?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13206457</guid><pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:41:42 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13206457/pts02_06_on_the_mission_of_the_church.mp3" length="27318983" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>What is the mission of the church? Is it to preach the gospel and make disciples—or is that too narrow? What about good works? What about seeking transformation for our neighborhoods—or is that too broad?</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[What is the mission of the church? Is it to preach the gospel and make disciples—or is that too narrow? What about good works? What about seeking transformation for our neighborhoods—or is that too broad?]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1699</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,mission,pastor,pastoral</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 24: On Pastoral Friendships</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-24-on-pastoral-friendships--13112530</link><description><![CDATA[Pastoring can be lonely. 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Isn’t one polity—presbyterian, congregational, etc.—just as good as another?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about these questions and more.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/13052069</guid><pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 02:15:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/13052069/pts02_04_on_polity_and_discpleship.mp3" length="25767515" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Does church order really have anything to do with discipleship? Isn’t one polity—presbyterian, congregational, etc.—just as good as another?&#13;
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In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about these questions...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Does church order really have anything to do with discipleship? Isn’t one polity—presbyterian, congregational, etc.—just as good as another?<br /><br />In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about these questions and more.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1602</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,discipleship,pastoral,pastors,polity</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 22: On the Conscience</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-22-on-the-conscience--12998345</link><description><![CDATA[Evangelicals are always in danger of losing the gospel because they don’t appreciate the role of the conscience and Christian freedom.<br /><br />The conscience is there to protect Christian freedom—and Christian freedom protects us from legalism. This is important because when legalism is indulged, it can actually threaten the gospel itself.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/12998345</guid><pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 03:05:03 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/12998345/pts02_03_on_the_conscience.mp3" length="26667363" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Evangelicals are always in danger of losing the gospel because they don’t appreciate the role of the conscience and Christian freedom.&#13;
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The conscience is there to protect Christian freedom—and Christian freedom protects us from legalism. This is...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Evangelicals are always in danger of losing the gospel because they don’t appreciate the role of the conscience and Christian freedom.<br /><br />The conscience is there to protect Christian freedom—and Christian freedom protects us from legalism. This is important because when legalism is indulged, it can actually threaten the gospel itself.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1658</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,conscience,leadership,pastoral,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 21: On Missions</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-21-on-missions--12940572</link><description><![CDATA[Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about how local churches can more wisely support overseas work.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/12940572</guid><pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 03:10:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/12940572/pts02_02_on_the_missions_book.mp3" length="24013744" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about how local churches can more wisely support overseas work.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about how local churches can more wisely support overseas work.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1493</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,missionaries,missions,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 20: On the Reformation</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-20-on-the-reformation--12885488</link><description><![CDATA[In conjunction with the Fall 2017 Journal "The Reformation and Your Church," Jonathan Leeman interviews Mark Dever on the Reformation and its usefulness for Christians today.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/12885488</guid><pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 03:05:04 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/12885488/pts02_01_on_the_reformation.mp3" length="25081210" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In conjunction with the Fall 2017 Journal "The Reformation and Your Church," Jonathan Leeman interviews Mark Dever on the Reformation and its usefulness for Christians today.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In conjunction with the Fall 2017 Journal "The Reformation and Your Church," Jonathan Leeman interviews Mark Dever on the Reformation and its usefulness for Christians today.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1559</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,pastors,reformation</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/ef80a1399ef8ebb9aa0de62c4100d480.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 19: On Church Mergers and Plants</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-19-on-church-mergers-and-plants--12158054</link><description><![CDATA[We just released a Journal on church planting and church mergers. Because neither Mark nor Jonathan wrote an article for it, we devoted this episode of Pastors’ Talk to the topic.<br /><br />Also: this will be our last Pastors’ Talk until September, though we’ll be recording them all summer, so send us your ideas if you have them!<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />— Have you (Mark) ever been a church planter? (2:30)<br /><br />— Why are the topics of planting and mergers worth thinking through? (4:10)<br /><br />— Is there a different skill set for the church planter and someone leading a church merger? (8:00)<br /><br />— What’s some bad advice you often hear for church planters? (9:20)<br /><br />— Do some of the problems stem from a dependence on agencies as opposed to churches? What are agencies useful for? What should they not do that they tend to do? (11:00)<br /><br />— What common wisdom do you have to offer those involved in church mergers? (13:10)<br /><br />— When does the “church plant” become a church? (19:00)<br /><br />— Who should leave a church to go with a plant? (20:00)<br /><br />— Do you have elders first, and then members? Or the other way around? (22:20)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/12158054</guid><pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2017 03:20:25 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/12158054/pastor_talk_05_25_17_on_church_plants_and_mergers.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>We just released a Journal on church planting and church mergers. Because neither Mark nor Jonathan wrote an article for it, we devoted this episode of Pastors’ Talk to the topic.

Also: this will be our last Pastors’ Talk until September, though...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[We just released a Journal on church planting and church mergers. Because neither Mark nor Jonathan wrote an article for it, we devoted this episode of Pastors’ Talk to the topic.<br /><br />Also: this will be our last Pastors’ Talk until September, though we’ll be recording them all summer, so send us your ideas if you have them!<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />— Have you (Mark) ever been a church planter? (2:30)<br /><br />— Why are the topics of planting and mergers worth thinking through? (4:10)<br /><br />— Is there a different skill set for the church planter and someone leading a church merger? (8:00)<br /><br />— What’s some bad advice you often hear for church planters? (9:20)<br /><br />— Do some of the problems stem from a dependence on agencies as opposed to churches? What are agencies useful for? What should they not do that they tend to do? (11:00)<br /><br />— What common wisdom do you have to offer those involved in church mergers? (13:10)<br /><br />— When does the “church plant” become a church? (19:00)<br /><br />— Who should leave a church to go with a plant? (20:00)<br /><br />— Do you have elders first, and then members? Or the other way around? (22:20)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1531</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,elders,leadership,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 18: On Conversion</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-18-on-conversion--12097015</link><description><![CDATA[In a few weeks, we’re releasing a new book, Conversion: How God Creates a People, in which Michael Lawrence makes the case that one’s doctrine of conversion has massive effects on one’s philosophy of ministry. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about this connection.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What’s this new book Conversion about? Why is conversion one of the nine marks? (1:55)<br /><br />– How does conversion affect one’s philosophy of ministry and even preaching style? (5:30)<br /><br />– Do liberal Christians have a doctrine of conversion? Same-sex affirming churches? (7:10)<br /><br />– How does Genesis 3 inform our doctrine of conversion? (9:00)<br /><br />– Is the doctrine of conversion going to become more and more offensive? (14:40)<br /><br />– Biblically speaking, what is conversion? (15:40)<br /><br />– Does “belonging before believing” undermine a biblical doctrine of conversion? Open communion? Spontaneous baptisms? (17:20)<br /><br />– How does a biblical doctrine of conversion affect a pastor’s preaching? (20:00)<br /><br />– How is church discipline an implication of the doctrine of conversion? (23:00)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/12097015</guid><pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2017 03:20:01 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/12097015/pastor_talk_06_08_17_on_the_book_conversion.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In a few weeks, we’re releasing a new book, Conversion: How God Creates a People, in which Michael Lawrence makes the case that one’s doctrine of conversion has massive effects on one’s philosophy of ministry. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In a few weeks, we’re releasing a new book, Conversion: How God Creates a People, in which Michael Lawrence makes the case that one’s doctrine of conversion has massive effects on one’s philosophy of ministry. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about this connection.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What’s this new book Conversion about? Why is conversion one of the nine marks? (1:55)<br /><br />– How does conversion affect one’s philosophy of ministry and even preaching style? (5:30)<br /><br />– Do liberal Christians have a doctrine of conversion? Same-sex affirming churches? (7:10)<br /><br />– How does Genesis 3 inform our doctrine of conversion? (9:00)<br /><br />– Is the doctrine of conversion going to become more and more offensive? (14:40)<br /><br />– Biblically speaking, what is conversion? (15:40)<br /><br />– Does “belonging before believing” undermine a biblical doctrine of conversion? Open communion? Spontaneous baptisms? (17:20)<br /><br />– How does a biblical doctrine of conversion affect a pastor’s preaching? (20:00)<br /><br />– How is church discipline an implication of the doctrine of conversion? (23:00)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1565</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,markdever,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 17: On How to Receive and Dismiss Members</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-17-on-how-to-receive-and-dismiss-members--12039662</link><description><![CDATA[One of the most important and time-consuming tasks for a church and its pastors involves receiving and releasing members, bringing them in and seeing them out. And yet, it's almost never talked about in books on the church or in seminary.<br /><br />To fill in this gap, Mark and Jonathan devoted this episode of Pastors' Talk to the one topic: receiving and releasing members.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/12039662</guid><pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2017 03:10:33 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/12039662/pastor_talk_05_30_17_on_how_to_receive_and_dismiss_members.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>One of the most important and time-consuming tasks for a church and its pastors involves receiving and releasing members, bringing them in and seeing them out. And yet, it's almost never talked about in books on the church or in seminary.

To fill in...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[One of the most important and time-consuming tasks for a church and its pastors involves receiving and releasing members, bringing them in and seeing them out. And yet, it's almost never talked about in books on the church or in seminary.<br /><br />To fill in this gap, Mark and Jonathan devoted this episode of Pastors' Talk to the one topic: receiving and releasing members.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1608</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,pastoring,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 16: On Corporate Prayer</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-16-on-corporate-prayer--11981561</link><description><![CDATA[In many evangelical churches, the public prayers are casual, short, and few. Is that a problem? How does this contemporary situation compare to the history of Protestant churches? How should pastors seek to reinvigorate their churches’ prayer practices?<br /><br />Jonathan sat down with Mark to discuss all these questions and more.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– In your experience, what does the public prayer look like in the average evangelical church? How does this compare historically? (:50)<br /><br />– Without impugning motives, why do churches play so little? (2:50)<br /><br />– Is there a pattern of corporate prayer in the Bible? (4:00)<br /><br />– Is a church being disobedient if they’re not giving ample time to corporate prayer? (5:25)<br /><br />– What does should the public prayer look like? What is a prayer of praise of confession? Should only men pray publicly? (6:30)<br /><br />– How should a pastor think through his “pastoral prayer” (14:00)?<br /><br />– This amount of prayer can be tough to get through for those not used to it. It slows people down and causes us to actively participate in a service. (21:00)<br /><br />– Why pray “we” not “I”? (24:45)<br /><br />– What about a Sunday evening prayer service? (25:15)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11981561</guid><pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2017 03:10:32 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11981561/pastor_talk_05_18_17_on_corporate_prayer.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In many evangelical churches, the public prayers are casual, short, and few. Is that a problem? How does this contemporary situation compare to the history of Protestant churches? How should pastors seek to reinvigorate their churches’ prayer...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In many evangelical churches, the public prayers are casual, short, and few. Is that a problem? How does this contemporary situation compare to the history of Protestant churches? How should pastors seek to reinvigorate their churches’ prayer practices?<br /><br />Jonathan sat down with Mark to discuss all these questions and more.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– In your experience, what does the public prayer look like in the average evangelical church? How does this compare historically? (:50)<br /><br />– Without impugning motives, why do churches play so little? (2:50)<br /><br />– Is there a pattern of corporate prayer in the Bible? (4:00)<br /><br />– Is a church being disobedient if they’re not giving ample time to corporate prayer? (5:25)<br /><br />– What does should the public prayer look like? What is a prayer of praise of confession? Should only men pray publicly? (6:30)<br /><br />– How should a pastor think through his “pastoral prayer” (14:00)?<br /><br />– This amount of prayer can be tough to get through for those not used to it. It slows people down and causes us to actively participate in a service. (21:00)<br /><br />– Why pray “we” not “I”? (24:45)<br /><br />– What about a Sunday evening prayer service? (25:15)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1697</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,pastoring,prayer</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 15: On How Quickly a Pastor Should Make Changes</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-15-on-how-quickly-a-pastor-should-make-changes--11938141</link><description><![CDATA[It’s tempting for a new pastor to show up with a laundry list of problems that need to be fixed. But that approach almost never works, and many have left churches worse off due to their hastiness in implementing change. To help pastors with this, Jonathan sat down with Mark to chat about how quickly a pastor should try to make changes in a church.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– You’ve said before that young pastors have great acuity, but poor depth perception. Can you explain that? (1:00)<br /><br />– What kinds of mistakes do young pastors take? (2:40)<br /><br />– How did you moderate the pace of change at the beginning of your time at CHBC? (5:50)<br /><br />– Is “change nothing in your first year” good advice? (9:45)<br /><br />– What should a pastor give himself to in the first year? Why is preaching so crucial? (13:00)<br /><br />– Should a pastor deliberately set out to build relationships with those who are disagreeable? How much does that help? (15:55)<br /><br />– Why should some pastors not practice church discipline right away? (18:00)<br /><br />– How much does handing out books help? (19:50)<br /><br />– Three areas of things that might change. (23:00)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11938141</guid><pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2017 22:17:39 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11938141/pastor_talk_05_03_17_on_how_quickly_pastor_should_change_stuff_in_their_churches.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>It’s tempting for a new pastor to show up with a laundry list of problems that need to be fixed. But that approach almost never works, and many have left churches worse off due to their hastiness in implementing change. To help pastors with this,...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s tempting for a new pastor to show up with a laundry list of problems that need to be fixed. But that approach almost never works, and many have left churches worse off due to their hastiness in implementing change. To help pastors with this, Jonathan sat down with Mark to chat about how quickly a pastor should try to make changes in a church.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– You’ve said before that young pastors have great acuity, but poor depth perception. Can you explain that? (1:00)<br /><br />– What kinds of mistakes do young pastors take? (2:40)<br /><br />– How did you moderate the pace of change at the beginning of your time at CHBC? (5:50)<br /><br />– Is “change nothing in your first year” good advice? (9:45)<br /><br />– What should a pastor give himself to in the first year? Why is preaching so crucial? (13:00)<br /><br />– Should a pastor deliberately set out to build relationships with those who are disagreeable? How much does that help? (15:55)<br /><br />– Why should some pastors not practice church discipline right away? (18:00)<br /><br />– How much does handing out books help? (19:50)<br /><br />– Three areas of things that might change. (23:00)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1622</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,pastoring,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 14: How the “Senior Pastor” Relates to Other Pastors</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-14-how-the-senior-pastor-relates-to-other-pastors--11870392</link><description><![CDATA[Does the senior pastor—or the teaching pastor, or the lead pastor, or whatever title your church gives to the man who preaches most often—have more authority than other pastors, either in the pay of the church or not? Does he have a kind of different authority?<br /><br />If you’ve served in a church with a plurality of elders, then you’ve felt tension over these questions. In order to help, Mark sat down with Jonathan to discuss the biblical warrant for a “senior” pastor, what his involvement looks in the church when he’s not preaching, and more.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– First things first: Is “senior pastor” a biblical designation? (1:00)<br /><br />– What about the “co-pastor” model? (3:30)<br /><br />– Why is it that the man who preaches most often will almost inevitably accrue the most authority within the congregation? (4:30)<br /><br />– What is Mark’s involvement in the church, even when he isn’t preaching on Sunday morning? (5:15)<br /><br />– Does Mark as senior pastor have “more authority” than other pastors, staff or non-staff? (6:15)<br /><br />– How does a “senior pastor” set the direction for a church, either good or bad? (9:15)<br /><br />– How does a pastor submit to other pastors? (11:15)<br /><br />– What counsel do you have for associate pastors who disagree with their senior pastor? (13:25)<br /><br />– How should he respond to a pastor who’s been heavy-handed? (17:25)<br /><br />– Any advice for a new pastor with an established elder board? (20:00)<br /><br />– How do you cultivate unity among elders? (24:00)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11870392</guid><pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 03:20:25 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11870392/pastor_talk_05_03_17_on_the_pastor_and_his_staff.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Does the senior pastor—or the teaching pastor, or the lead pastor, or whatever title your church gives to the man who preaches most often—have more authority than other pastors, either in the pay of the church or not? Does he have a kind of different...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Does the senior pastor—or the teaching pastor, or the lead pastor, or whatever title your church gives to the man who preaches most often—have more authority than other pastors, either in the pay of the church or not? Does he have a kind of different authority?<br /><br />If you’ve served in a church with a plurality of elders, then you’ve felt tension over these questions. In order to help, Mark sat down with Jonathan to discuss the biblical warrant for a “senior” pastor, what his involvement looks in the church when he’s not preaching, and more.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– First things first: Is “senior pastor” a biblical designation? (1:00)<br /><br />– What about the “co-pastor” model? (3:30)<br /><br />– Why is it that the man who preaches most often will almost inevitably accrue the most authority within the congregation? (4:30)<br /><br />– What is Mark’s involvement in the church, even when he isn’t preaching on Sunday morning? (5:15)<br /><br />– Does Mark as senior pastor have “more authority” than other pastors, staff or non-staff? (6:15)<br /><br />– How does a “senior pastor” set the direction for a church, either good or bad? (9:15)<br /><br />– How does a pastor submit to other pastors? (11:15)<br /><br />– What counsel do you have for associate pastors who disagree with their senior pastor? (13:25)<br /><br />– How should he respond to a pastor who’s been heavy-handed? (17:25)<br /><br />– Any advice for a new pastor with an established elder board? (20:00)<br /><br />– How do you cultivate unity among elders? (24:00)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1568</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 13: On Being a Word-Centered Church</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-13-on-being-a-word-centered-church--11825311</link><description><![CDATA[It’s a question countless pastors ask every single day: How can I grow my church?<br /><br />In his new book WORD-CENTERED CHURCH, Jonathan Leeman offers a biblical answer to that question. In summary, God intends to grow his church through the proclamation of his Word—and once proclaimed, God intends for that Word to reverberate out from the pulpit and into the whole church’s life and ministry. WORD-CENTERED CHURCH encourages pastors and church leaders to resist the temptation of pragmatism and to instead build their churches on a more trustworthy foundation.<br /><br />For this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark chatted with Jonathan about all this and more.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What’s necessary for a church? Does it require a dependence on the Bible? (:30)<br /><br />– If a church is built on the Word, what room does that leave for good deeds? (4:30)<br /><br />– What’s the role of preaching? Why “Word-centered church” and not “Christ-centered church”? (6:20)<br /><br />– When people think about worship, should they associate it strictly with music? (9:30)<br /><br />– How does the Word reverberate throughout the church and its church’s life? (11:30)<br /><br />– What do you say to the pastor who doesn’t spend time to study the Word? (13:15)<br /><br />– In a church with a lot of nominal Christians, how should preaching being prioritized? (16:30)<br /><br />– What’s Word-Centered Church all about, and how does it differ from Reverberation? (18:00)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11825311</guid><pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 12:51:32 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11825311/pastor_talk_04_20_17_on_the_book_word_centered_churh.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>It’s a question countless pastors ask every single day: How can I grow my church?

In his new book WORD-CENTERED CHURCH, Jonathan Leeman offers a biblical answer to that question. In summary, God intends to grow his church through the proclamation of...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s a question countless pastors ask every single day: How can I grow my church?<br /><br />In his new book WORD-CENTERED CHURCH, Jonathan Leeman offers a biblical answer to that question. In summary, God intends to grow his church through the proclamation of his Word—and once proclaimed, God intends for that Word to reverberate out from the pulpit and into the whole church’s life and ministry. WORD-CENTERED CHURCH encourages pastors and church leaders to resist the temptation of pragmatism and to instead build their churches on a more trustworthy foundation.<br /><br />For this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark chatted with Jonathan about all this and more.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What’s necessary for a church? Does it require a dependence on the Bible? (:30)<br /><br />– If a church is built on the Word, what room does that leave for good deeds? (4:30)<br /><br />– What’s the role of preaching? Why “Word-centered church” and not “Christ-centered church”? (6:20)<br /><br />– When people think about worship, should they associate it strictly with music? (9:30)<br /><br />– How does the Word reverberate throughout the church and its church’s life? (11:30)<br /><br />– What do you say to the pastor who doesn’t spend time to study the Word? (13:15)<br /><br />– In a church with a lot of nominal Christians, how should preaching being prioritized? (16:30)<br /><br />– What’s Word-Centered Church all about, and how does it differ from Reverberation? (18:00)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1294</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,gospel,leadership,markdever</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 12: On Small Groups</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-12-on-small-groups--11765120</link><description><![CDATA[These days, small groups are quite common. But are they enough for community and accountability? What’s the best way to do small groups such that they don’t interfere with the regular Sunday gathering?<br /><br />Mark and Jonathan discuss these questions and more in the latest episode of Pastors’ Talk.<br /><br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– Does Acts 2 describe small groups? (0:45)<br /><br />– Is there a biblical precedent for small groups? (1:25)<br /><br />– Is it new that churches build in their pastoring through small groups? (3:40)<br /><br />– How much guidance should you give small groups? (6:40)<br /><br />– What should small groups do? (10:40)<br /><br />– Who should lead a small group? (12:00)<br /><br />– Should non-members be in small groups? (13:30)<br /><br />– Should small groups take the Lord’s Supper? (14:45)<br /><br />– What do you say to the member who doesn’t really come to the Sunday gathering, but is very committed to their small group? (15:45)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11765120</guid><pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 11:06:37 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11765120/pastor_talk_04_20_17_on_small_groups.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>These days, small groups are quite common. But are they enough for community and accountability? What’s the best way to do small groups such that they don’t interfere with the regular Sunday gathering?

Mark and Jonathan discuss these questions and...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[These days, small groups are quite common. But are they enough for community and accountability? What’s the best way to do small groups such that they don’t interfere with the regular Sunday gathering?<br /><br />Mark and Jonathan discuss these questions and more in the latest episode of Pastors’ Talk.<br /><br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– Does Acts 2 describe small groups? (0:45)<br /><br />– Is there a biblical precedent for small groups? (1:25)<br /><br />– Is it new that churches build in their pastoring through small groups? (3:40)<br /><br />– How much guidance should you give small groups? (6:40)<br /><br />– What should small groups do? (10:40)<br /><br />– Who should lead a small group? (12:00)<br /><br />– Should non-members be in small groups? (13:30)<br /><br />– Should small groups take the Lord’s Supper? (14:45)<br /><br />– What do you say to the member who doesn’t really come to the Sunday gathering, but is very committed to their small group? (15:45)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1052</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,markdever,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 11: On Being “Called” to Ministry</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-11-on-being-called-to-ministry--11713628</link><description><![CDATA[Being “called” to ministry isn’t entirely personal, internal, and subjective. It involves both the individual and a church, an internal desire and external confirmation.<br /><br />In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan asked Mark about common misconceptions of pastoral calling, how pastors can cultivate an environment where callings get tested, and the role of the church throughout.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What does it mean that calling is both internal and external? (:30)<br /><br />– Why would you slow a guy down who says, “I know I’m called to ministry”? (2:20)<br /><br />– What do you say to someone who responds to your hesitation with, “But pastor, the Lord is leading me?” (5:00)<br /><br />– What are some common errors churches make in discerning one’s sense of calling? (8:50)<br /><br />– What’s a proper biblical understanding of calling in Scripture? How does it relate to vocation? (10:50)<br /><br />– Who confirms a pastor? When you leave your church, are you still a pastor? (15:20)<br /><br />– How does a man’s wife play into his calling as a pastor/elder? (16:40)<br /><br />– How can a pastor cultivate a healthy environment to test young men and their calling to ministry? (19:05)<br /><br />– Any general advice for those experiencing the call to ministry? (20:10)<br /><br />– Is there a special calling for overseas missions? (23:50)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11713628</guid><pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:21:34 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11713628/11_on_calling.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Being “called” to ministry isn’t entirely personal, internal, and subjective. It involves both the individual and a church, an internal desire and external confirmation.

In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan asked Mark about common misconceptions...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Being “called” to ministry isn’t entirely personal, internal, and subjective. It involves both the individual and a church, an internal desire and external confirmation.<br /><br />In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan asked Mark about common misconceptions of pastoral calling, how pastors can cultivate an environment where callings get tested, and the role of the church throughout.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What does it mean that calling is both internal and external? (:30)<br /><br />– Why would you slow a guy down who says, “I know I’m called to ministry”? (2:20)<br /><br />– What do you say to someone who responds to your hesitation with, “But pastor, the Lord is leading me?” (5:00)<br /><br />– What are some common errors churches make in discerning one’s sense of calling? (8:50)<br /><br />– What’s a proper biblical understanding of calling in Scripture? How does it relate to vocation? (10:50)<br /><br />– Who confirms a pastor? When you leave your church, are you still a pastor? (15:20)<br /><br />– How does a man’s wife play into his calling as a pastor/elder? (16:40)<br /><br />– How can a pastor cultivate a healthy environment to test young men and their calling to ministry? (19:05)<br /><br />– Any general advice for those experiencing the call to ministry? (20:10)<br /><br />– Is there a special calling for overseas missions? (23:50)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1607</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,markdever,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 10: Should A Church Reflect Its Surrounding Community?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-10-should-a-church-reflect-its-surrounding-community--11651677</link><description><![CDATA[Does your congregation look like the people who live around it? If not, does it matter? How important is it that a church reflects its surrounding community?<br /><br />For the latest Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sat down with Mark Dever to chat about these questions and more.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– How hard should a pastor and a church work to reach different kinds of people? Changing music? Changing the way we preach or what we wear? (1:30)<br /><br />– What about who’s up front? Who gets hired? For example, should white churches seek to hire non-white pastors in order to reach non-whites? (6:00)<br /><br />– What counsel do you have for the pastor who leads a church that doesn’t look like its surrounding community? (10:15)<br /><br />– In being deliberate about these things, isn’t there a risk of “inauthenticity”? (12:15)<br /><br />– What’s the importance of a culture of discipling and evangelism, where members are consistently learning to love people across differences? (14:10)<br /><br />– How should pastors be careful about the ways they speak publicly on these matters? (17:25)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11651677</guid><pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 03:10:05 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11651677/pastor_talk_12_6_16_church_and_surrounding_community.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Does your congregation look like the people who live around it? If not, does it matter? How important is it that a church reflects its surrounding community?

For the latest Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sat down with Mark Dever to chat about these...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Does your congregation look like the people who live around it? If not, does it matter? How important is it that a church reflects its surrounding community?<br /><br />For the latest Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sat down with Mark Dever to chat about these questions and more.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– How hard should a pastor and a church work to reach different kinds of people? Changing music? Changing the way we preach or what we wear? (1:30)<br /><br />– What about who’s up front? Who gets hired? For example, should white churches seek to hire non-white pastors in order to reach non-whites? (6:00)<br /><br />– What counsel do you have for the pastor who leads a church that doesn’t look like its surrounding community? (10:15)<br /><br />– In being deliberate about these things, isn’t there a risk of “inauthenticity”? (12:15)<br /><br />– What’s the importance of a culture of discipling and evangelism, where members are consistently learning to love people across differences? (14:10)<br /><br />– How should pastors be careful about the ways they speak publicly on these matters? (17:25)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1374</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,leadership,markdever,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 9: On the Use and Abuse of Authority</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-9-on-the-use-and-abuse-of-authority--11599982</link><description><![CDATA[Authority is God’s good and dangerous gift. Therefore, it’s of the utmost importance for pastors and church leaders to exercise their authority well, and in doing so image God.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– Why is authority such an under-talked about topic? (:45)<br /><br />– Has authority been especially villainized in our current culture? (2:10)<br /><br />– Are evangelicals any different in their views of the authority? (6:10)<br /><br />– What is authority? (9:05)<br /><br />– Why do you think a passage like 2 Samuel 23:3–4 is so important as we think about authority? What can they teach pastors today? (11:00)<br /><br />– How does a pastor wield his authority well? (14:30)<br /><br />– What’s the difference between authority and authoritarianism? (15:00)<br /><br />– How can a pastor be pro-authority while also being anti-authoritarian? (17:05)<br /><br />– Why is the abuse of authority so heinous? What does it look like for someone to abuse their authority, or to use it too aggressively? (19:45)<br /><br />– How do you pastor those Christians who have only know the abuse of authority? (23:30)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11599982</guid><pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2017 03:20:11 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11599982/pastor_talk_01_10_17_authority.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Authority is God’s good and dangerous gift. Therefore, it’s of the utmost importance for pastors and church leaders to exercise their authority well, and in doing so image God.

SHOW NOTES:

– Why is authority such an under-talked about topic? (:45)...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Authority is God’s good and dangerous gift. Therefore, it’s of the utmost importance for pastors and church leaders to exercise their authority well, and in doing so image God.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– Why is authority such an under-talked about topic? (:45)<br /><br />– Has authority been especially villainized in our current culture? (2:10)<br /><br />– Are evangelicals any different in their views of the authority? (6:10)<br /><br />– What is authority? (9:05)<br /><br />– Why do you think a passage like 2 Samuel 23:3–4 is so important as we think about authority? What can they teach pastors today? (11:00)<br /><br />– How does a pastor wield his authority well? (14:30)<br /><br />– What’s the difference between authority and authoritarianism? (15:00)<br /><br />– How can a pastor be pro-authority while also being anti-authoritarian? (17:05)<br /><br />– Why is the abuse of authority so heinous? What does it look like for someone to abuse their authority, or to use it too aggressively? (19:45)<br /><br />– How do you pastor those Christians who have only know the abuse of authority? (23:30)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1770</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>church,dever,mark,ministry,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 8: What Makes a Good Pastor?</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-8-what-makes-a-good-pastor--11550120</link><description><![CDATA[How do we know what makes a good pastor? Do we learn this exclusively from the Bible? From the latest business books? Jonathan chats with Mark about what a pastor is, and what it means to take a pastoral approach to Christian ministry.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11550120</guid><pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 13:22:13 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11550120/pastor_talk_03_28_17_on_what_is_a_pastor.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>How do we know what makes a good pastor? Do we learn this exclusively from the Bible? From the latest business books? Jonathan chats with Mark about what a pastor is, and what it means to take a pastoral approach to Christian ministry.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[How do we know what makes a good pastor? Do we learn this exclusively from the Bible? From the latest business books? Jonathan chats with Mark about what a pastor is, and what it means to take a pastoral approach to Christian ministry.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1556</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,leeman,mark,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 7: How to Leave Your Church Well</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-7-how-to-leave-your-church-well--11493303</link><description><![CDATA[Jonathan chats with Mark about good and bad reasons to leave a church, and offers principles for leaving well once the decision has been made.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11493303</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 03:05:07 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11493303/pastor_talk_03_23_17_on_how_to_leave_a_church.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Jonathan chats with Mark about good and bad reasons to leave a church, and offers principles for leaving well once the decision has been made.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jonathan chats with Mark about good and bad reasons to leave a church, and offers principles for leaving well once the decision has been made.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1281</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 6: On Pastoring Singles</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-6-on-pastoring-singles--11443942</link><description><![CDATA[We just released a Journal with close to 20 articles on Pastoring Singles. Because the Journal was Mark’s idea, Jonathan sat down with him to ask questions on the topic. <br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– Why a Journal on singles? (0:40)<br /><br />– What are the biggest challenges and benefits of pastoring singles (1:30)<br /><br />– How do you simultaneously affirm marriage while not undermining God’s distinct purposes for singles? (3:20)<br /><br />– When do you encourage someone to remain single? How do you encourage them to make the most of their singleness? (8:10)<br /><br />– How can singles be integrated into a congregation? (12:15)<br /><br />– What about single elders/pastors? (14:00)<br /><br />– For the single who feels left out, what should a church do? (15:55)<br /><br />– What do you do when you inherit a church with a robust singles program? (18:10)<br /><br />– Why “your sex life is your identity” is a satanic lie. (20:45)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11443942</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:18:08 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11443942/pastor_talk_02_23_17_pastoring_and_singleness.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>We just released a Journal with close to 20 articles on Pastoring Singles. Because the Journal was Mark’s idea, Jonathan sat down with him to ask questions on the topic. 

SHOW NOTES:

– Why a Journal on singles? (0:40)

– What are the biggest...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[We just released a Journal with close to 20 articles on Pastoring Singles. Because the Journal was Mark’s idea, Jonathan sat down with him to ask questions on the topic. <br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– Why a Journal on singles? (0:40)<br /><br />– What are the biggest challenges and benefits of pastoring singles (1:30)<br /><br />– How do you simultaneously affirm marriage while not undermining God’s distinct purposes for singles? (3:20)<br /><br />– When do you encourage someone to remain single? How do you encourage them to make the most of their singleness? (8:10)<br /><br />– How can singles be integrated into a congregation? (12:15)<br /><br />– What about single elders/pastors? (14:00)<br /><br />– For the single who feels left out, what should a church do? (15:55)<br /><br />– What do you do when you inherit a church with a robust singles program? (18:10)<br /><br />– Why “your sex life is your identity” is a satanic lie. (20:45)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1447</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,pastoring,singleness,singles</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 5: On Political Disagreements in the Church</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-5-on-political-disagreements-in-the-church--11378023</link><description><![CDATA[We live in politically contentious times. Jonathan Leeman sat down with Mark Dever to chat about how to pastor people faithfully amidst political disagreement.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– March us through how you pastored through the most contentious election in recent memory. (0:40)<br /><br />– How preaching builds unity amidst political disagreement. (6:00)<br /><br />– On the importance of upholding Christian liberty amidst personal, political disagreement (7:45)<br /><br />– How can we discern “straight-line” issues from “jagged-line” issues? How do we know when to stay silent in order not to improperly bind consciences? (13:00)<br /><br />– Can we sin by not addressing injustice when we should? (17:30)<br /><br />– Do you address politically contentious members directly? (22:00)<br /><br />– Lightning round of questions on the topic. (22:45)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11378023</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 02:55:51 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11378023/pastor_talk_3_9_17_on_political_disagreements_in_the_church.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>We live in politically contentious times. Jonathan Leeman sat down with Mark Dever to chat about how to pastor people faithfully amidst political disagreement.

SHOW NOTES:

– March us through how you pastored through the most contentious election in...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[We live in politically contentious times. Jonathan Leeman sat down with Mark Dever to chat about how to pastor people faithfully amidst political disagreement.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– March us through how you pastored through the most contentious election in recent memory. (0:40)<br /><br />– How preaching builds unity amidst political disagreement. (6:00)<br /><br />– On the importance of upholding Christian liberty amidst personal, political disagreement (7:45)<br /><br />– How can we discern “straight-line” issues from “jagged-line” issues? How do we know when to stay silent in order not to improperly bind consciences? (13:00)<br /><br />– Can we sin by not addressing injustice when we should? (17:30)<br /><br />– Do you address politically contentious members directly? (22:00)<br /><br />– Lightning round of questions on the topic. (22:45)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1464</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,church,dever,pastors,politics</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 4: On Receiving Criticism as a Pastor</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-4-on-receiving-criticism-as-a-pastor--11330024</link><description><![CDATA[If you’re a pastor, you’re used to being criticized—both fairly and unfairly. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark to chat about receiving criticism well, the dangers of avoiding criticism altogether, and how to build into a church structures that cultivate a culture of giving and receiving godly criticism.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What do you do when you’re criticized after church when you just preached your guts out? (1:15)<br /><br />– How do you prepare yourself to hear what you know you need to hear, even if it’s something that your flesh will grate against? (4:40)<br /><br />– Why not defending yourself amidst criticism is sometimes a good idea. (5:50)<br /><br />– True or false: the more you fear God and the less you fear man, the better you will hear criticism. (9:40)<br /><br />– What about the wisdom in using others—wife, other elders, etc.—to process current criticisms? (11:15)<br /><br />– Do you have any words for the pastors who have cloistered themselves so that they never hear criticism? (12:35)<br /><br />– What structures have you put in place to cultivate a culture of healthy criticism and encouragement? (14:40)<br /><br />– Any encouragement for pastor who’s beaten up from consistent criticism? (16:00)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11330024</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:28:19 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11330024/pastor_talk_receiving_criticism.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>If you’re a pastor, you’re used to being criticized—both fairly and unfairly. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark to chat about receiving criticism well, the dangers of avoiding criticism altogether, and how to build into a...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[If you’re a pastor, you’re used to being criticized—both fairly and unfairly. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark to chat about receiving criticism well, the dangers of avoiding criticism altogether, and how to build into a church structures that cultivate a culture of giving and receiving godly criticism.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What do you do when you’re criticized after church when you just preached your guts out? (1:15)<br /><br />– How do you prepare yourself to hear what you know you need to hear, even if it’s something that your flesh will grate against? (4:40)<br /><br />– Why not defending yourself amidst criticism is sometimes a good idea. (5:50)<br /><br />– True or false: the more you fear God and the less you fear man, the better you will hear criticism. (9:40)<br /><br />– What about the wisdom in using others—wife, other elders, etc.—to process current criticisms? (11:15)<br /><br />– Do you have any words for the pastors who have cloistered themselves so that they never hear criticism? (12:35)<br /><br />– What structures have you put in place to cultivate a culture of healthy criticism and encouragement? (14:40)<br /><br />– Any encouragement for pastor who’s beaten up from consistent criticism? (16:00)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1235</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,leeman,mark,pastors</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/2e094aa5a8e1a1a7d2ba6ccabfd21f58.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 3: On Sermon Application</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-3-on-sermon-application--11234574</link><description><![CDATA[If a preacher is doing his job well, then he's not only explaining what a text means, but also applying that meaning to the lives of his hearers. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about the difficult task of sermon application.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/11234574</guid><pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2017 04:09:30 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/11234574/pastor_talk_11_29_16_sermon_application.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>If a preacher is doing his job well, then he's not only explaining what a text means, but also applying that meaning to the lives of his hearers. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about the difficult...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[If a preacher is doing his job well, then he's not only explaining what a text means, but also applying that meaning to the lives of his hearers. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about the difficult task of sermon application.]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1246</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,leeman,pastors,sermon</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 2: On Pastoring in the Age of Social Media</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-2-on-pastoring-in-the-age-of-social-media--10995166</link><description><![CDATA[A mere ten years ago, social media didn’t exist. Now it’s everywhere. Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to chat about the difficulties of pastoring in the age of social media.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What are some of the dangers you see intrinsic to social media? (2:45)<br /><br />– How social media can tempt Christians to add to the gospel (4:30).<br /><br />– The necessity of humility in our opinions and our discourse (5:30).<br /><br />– How Christians can become good self-editors? 12 diagnostic questions to continually ask ourselves. (8:00)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/10995166</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2017 15:10:51 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/10995166/pastor_talk_10_11_16_social_media.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>A mere ten years ago, social media didn’t exist. Now it’s everywhere. Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to chat about the difficulties of pastoring in the age of social media.

SHOW NOTES:

– What are some of the dangers you see intrinsic to...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[A mere ten years ago, social media didn’t exist. Now it’s everywhere. Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to chat about the difficulties of pastoring in the age of social media.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What are some of the dangers you see intrinsic to social media? (2:45)<br /><br />– How social media can tempt Christians to add to the gospel (4:30).<br /><br />– The necessity of humility in our opinions and our discourse (5:30).<br /><br />– How Christians can become good self-editors? 12 diagnostic questions to continually ask ourselves. (8:00)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1286</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,leeman,mark,pastoring</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/8c69cbe7ecc00f315ceb480605b55fdf.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Episode 1: On Gospel Growth Beyond Your Church</title><link>https://www.spreaker.com/episode/episode-1-on-gospel-growth-beyond-your-church--10779876</link><description><![CDATA[In the inaugural episode of our new podcast Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about seeing the gospel grow in your city, not just your church.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What do you do when the revival you’ve been praying for breaks out . . . at the church down the street? (1:08)<br /><br />– Is it always carnal to desire your own church to grow? (3:02)<br /><br />– What are some of the signs of a wrongful “turfiness” that pastors should watch out for in their own hearts and ministries? (4:38)<br /><br />– Why do you pray for other churches by name in CHBC’s services? (6:25)<br /><br />– Explain how you can structure a staff and budget to help other churches. (8:35)<br /><br />– What role might ministerial fellowships play in local gospel growth? (12:24)<br /><br />– Are multi-site and multi-service churches necessarily “turfy”? (14:30)<br /><br />– What about church planting and revitalizing? (18:49)<br /><br />– Any last lessons for promoting gospel growth locally? (24:30)]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">https://api.spreaker.com/episode/10779876</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2017 10:32:18 +0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/10779876/pastor_talk_09_13_16_gospel_growth.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>9Marks</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>In the inaugural episode of our new podcast Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about seeing the gospel grow in your city, not just your church.

SHOW NOTES:

– What do you do when the revival you’ve been praying for...</itunes:subtitle><itunes:summary><![CDATA[In the inaugural episode of our new podcast Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about seeing the gospel grow in your city, not just your church.<br /><br />SHOW NOTES:<br /><br />– What do you do when the revival you’ve been praying for breaks out . . . at the church down the street? (1:08)<br /><br />– Is it always carnal to desire your own church to grow? (3:02)<br /><br />– What are some of the signs of a wrongful “turfiness” that pastors should watch out for in their own hearts and ministries? (4:38)<br /><br />– Why do you pray for other churches by name in CHBC’s services? (6:25)<br /><br />– Explain how you can structure a staff and budget to help other churches. (8:35)<br /><br />– What role might ministerial fellowships play in local gospel growth? (12:24)<br /><br />– Are multi-site and multi-service churches necessarily “turfy”? (14:30)<br /><br />– What about church planting and revitalizing? (18:49)<br /><br />– Any last lessons for promoting gospel growth locally? (24:30)]]></itunes:summary><itunes:duration>1574</itunes:duration><itunes:keywords>9marks,dever,mark,pastor's,talk</itunes:keywords><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/dd007051a64dd4f09f7fe2f80ee83d0f.jpg"/><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item></channel></rss>
