The true crime podcasting community has come together for the holiday season to discuss all things true crime podcasting. Over the next two weeks, ten shows will be dropping bonus episodes sharing these conversations. In this episode, I'm joined by Alvin Williams (Affirmative Murder) and Javier Leiva (Pretend) to discuss how we started our shows, true crime as an industry, how we've grown and lessons we've learned, cases we've covered, monetizing true crime, television, the future of our shows, and more.

Check out Alvin's and Javier's shows:
Affirmative Murder
Pretend

Other true crime conversations coming:
• Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), The Captain (True Crime Garage), Charlie (Crimelines)
• Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Charlie (Crimelines)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Javier (Pretend), Whitney (Navigating Advocacy)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Melissa (Navigating Advocacy), Robert (The Broken System)